Which driver would be fastest in the red bull ?

[djos]

I hope so, once Webber has won the WDC and retired

surely you meant "won the wdc and gone to Ferrari to replace Massa"?

[raymondu999]

Well I guess you meant if all drivers were equally familiar with the rb6 equipment, right? Well there's too many variables, really, and we need to see it happening on track. Being humans, everyone will have their own favorites and their own opinions of who is fastest. Any "discussion" of this factor will just turn into a fanboy bickering thread. Personally I say Vettel, but then again, that's me.

[ringo]

All things being equal, Alonso would have beaten Hamilton at McLaren.
As it stands they finished on equal points, so how could Hamilton be rated better?
Thats just fanboy talk!

The question is:

Who is the faster driver?

facts and numbers say the rookie who never drove an f1 race before 2007 was faster than the 2x WDC correct?

Points say nothing about speed, lap times and qualifying do. At no time does fanboyism comes in. When speculation about team bias, who gets the better car, a 2x wdc being uncomfortable in a car he tested equally with a rookie , is involved then it goes into the fanboy realm.
The good thing about speed and not rating which driver is better, is that speed is based on the clock alone.

Going by speed alone, (not on points or other metrics) the very speed which coincides with which driver would be faster in a car like the rb6. I would say Hamilton over Alonso, because the guy is simply faster. I stand corrected if presented with numerical proof that Alonso was the faster driver.

[andartop]

I think there are too many details missing from this question.
Are we talking about who would be the fastest over one single lap? Over a race, or a season? Are we talking about all other things being equal, ie all drivers given time to test the car and get used to it? Or even more time to actually help develop the car? Are we talking current F1 drivers only? Are we talking F1 drivers only?

Accordingly, my answer would have been Vettel or Webber, same, throw in Alonso, Hami and Schumi as well, add Kubica and Rosberg, Schumi no dount, add Senna, G.Villeneuve and Nuvolari, maybe add in S.Loeb, V.Rossi and C.McRae!!!

[Hangaku]

Stick them all in 125cc karts, and then we'll find out

[RH1300S]

Direct answer to the question - right now I would say the two drivers they have are probably getting the best out of the chassis.

One other driver? Probably Hamilton.

The question only asks who would be the fastest - so let's assume it's a one time hot-lap we are after.

Go beyond that and the answer is impossibly complex and open to so much debate - three pages so far!!!

Generally, I think the current crop of drivers may be the best we have seen for many, many years. Vettel, Webber, Hamilton, Button, Kubica, Alonso, Rosberg, Schuey - any one of those could lay claim to being the fastest on any one day.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

All things being equal, Alonso would have beaten Hamilton at McLaren.
As it stands they finished on equal points, so how could Hamilton be rated better?
Thats just fanboy talk!

The question is:

Who is the faster driver?

facts and numbers say the rookie who never drove an f1 race before 2007 was faster than the 2x WDC correct?

Points say nothing about speed, lap times and qualifying do. At no time does fanboyism comes in. When speculation about team bias, who gets the better car, a 2x wdc being uncomfortable in a car he tested equally with a rookie , is involved then it goes into the fanboy realm.
The good thing about speed and not rating which driver is better, is that speed is based on the clock alone.

Going by speed alone, (not on points or other metrics) the very speed which coincides with which driver would be faster in a car like the rb6. I would say Hamilton over Alonso, because the guy is simply faster. I stand corrected if presented with numerical proof that Alonso was the faster driver.

Ringo, his debut season was impressive I agree. But its no yardstick to say he could go even faster afterwards. Hakkinen did Senna in his first McLaren race, Villenuve did Hill and Kobayashi beat Trulli.
You wanted conlusive evidence, Well Victories, fastest laps and pole positions are very good indicators. And Alonso had 16 of those to Hamiltons 15.

http://www.f1complete.com/index.php?opt ... ew&id=4864

Close run thing, but Alonso finds a way to be quicker, even when his team despise him. As I said before he is unlikeable and Im no fan, but jesus he can drive!

[ringo]

All things being equal, Alonso would have beaten Hamilton at McLaren.
As it stands they finished on equal points, so how could Hamilton be rated better?
Thats just fanboy talk!

The question is:

Who is the faster driver?

facts and numbers say the rookie who never drove an f1 race before 2007 was faster than the 2x WDC correct?

Points say nothing about speed, lap times and qualifying do. At no time does fanboyism comes in. When speculation about team bias, who gets the better car, a 2x wdc being uncomfortable in a car he tested equally with a rookie , is involved then it goes into the fanboy realm.
The good thing about speed and not rating which driver is better, is that speed is based on the clock alone.

Going by speed alone, (not on points or other metrics) the very speed which coincides with which driver would be faster in a car like the rb6. I would say Hamilton over Alonso, because the guy is simply faster. I stand corrected if presented with numerical proof that Alonso was the faster driver.

Ringo, his debut season was impressive I agree. But its no yardstick to say he could go even faster afterwards. Hakkinen did Senna in his first McLaren race, Villenuve did Hill and Kobayashi beat Trulli.
You wanted conlusive evidence, Well Victories, fastest laps and pole positions are very good indicators. And Alonso had 16 of those to Hamiltons 15.

http://www.f1complete.com/index.php?opt ... ew&id=4864

Close run thing, but Alonso finds a way to be quicker, even when his team despise him. As I said before he is unlikeable and Im no fan, but jesus he can drive!

16 of what? You are not being clear here. What kind of stats are you cooking. Compare fastest laps to fastest laps, and poles to poles. Don't try any verbal gymnastics.
Hamilton was faster that Alonso in 2007 in terms of pole positions and head to head best laps of the race, if i am not mistaken. The man is even faster now, he is nowhere near his prime.

wins; Hamilton 4 Alonso 4. wins say nothing about raw speed really.

poles; Hamilton 5 Alonso 2 Very important to judge speed.

fastest laps; Hamilton 2 Alonso 3 Important but this includes the competitors, but more important is the head to head, out of 17 races, how many times was Hamilton the faster driver?

The only thing Alonso had 16 to hamilton's 15 is points finishes. And here we are comparing a rookie to a double champ.
Can you appreciate the gravity of that? Imagine comparing Hulkenberg to Barichello or Petrov to Kubica? People take 2007 Hamilton for granted.

[ringo]

After looking at 2007

Hamilton outqualified Alonso 9 times, Alonso outqualied hamilton 8
Alonso had a faster lap 9 times, Hamilton had a faster lap 8 times

so it's even depending on which one you value the most, qualifying or faster lap. Hamilton's china race may have stopped him from breaking the dead lock. But seeing as though this is a rookie we are talking about. I don't see why this guy wont be much faster 3 years later with more experience.

[PlatinumZealot]

enough 2007 already.

[mx_tifoso]

Enough of Hamilton and Alonso already. Sing another tune for sanity's sake.

[donskar]

Enough of Hamilton and Alonso already. Sing another tune for sanity's sake.

Kimi

[mx_tifoso]

I said Raikkonen too, but what I meant was that everyone's always talking about either Hamilton or Alonso, in an obsessed manner. It's disturbing.

[djos]

Kimi is a diva and only good when the car is good, if the car is bad he cant carry it like Hamilton, Alonso and Webber* can.

*I include Webber based on his historical ability to put rubbish cars further up the grid than they should be.

[mx_tifoso]

But it does not matter that he can "be good only when the car is good" since we're talking about the RB6, and as far as I can tell the RB6 is the quickest and one of the 'easiest' to drive of 2010.

My conjecture about it being the easiest to drive is derived from seeing both of the drivers being comfortable at any circuit and in any situation. It appears 'easy' to drive at the limit, out in front, in traffic, etc.