Will Red Bull ever not have a pole?

[raymondu999]

Hey all. Just interested in this question here. Red Bull as we all know so far has been utterly dominating qualifying almost in the same way McLaren won all races bar one in 1988. Or 89. I forget. Will they ever miss out on pole position though? (Barring qualifying mistakes such as Ferrari/McLaren's mistake in Malaysia)

Some people are saying Spa and Monza are the places to see this happening, but if we remember back to Spa last year the car was clearly amazingly fast around there and their high speed stability will certainly work wonders for them there. Vettel, some say should've been on pole there.

I think however Monza could be the one to catch them out, but then I wonder if they could use practically 0 AOA and just depend on their body-wide downforce and diffuser downforce, as their car would probably have enough downforce then anyways? Also, Abu Dhabi I'm thinking might catch them out due to the ultra high speed Sector 2.

What do you all think?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

They have 2 humans driving, so I would say the others have a better than average chance of scoring a pole this year. I bet at Hungary...

[raymondu999]

Any reasons why Hungary in particular?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Similar to Monaco, Red Bulls advantage will have be reduced but still evident.
Also, if the driver makes a mistake he pays a higher penalty at a track like that.

Finally as its a few months to go, perhaps the others will have closed the gap a bit more....who knows?

[feynman]

Canada ... no Red Bull-style aero corners, plenty of long straights for Horner to complain about Renault engine-power again, and still early enough in the development window of their own F-duct that it won't be up to final speed, if it even runs.

If I was forced to have a bet, I'd stick a tenner on Hamilton, he's usually handy round there.
(Although McLaren appear to have buggered up the kerb-riding suspension and out-of-corner drive they used to enjoy, in favour of a car to go fast in S2 at Spa, so it would be a risky tenner).

Still, I think Canada represents the best (last ?) chance we'll get of someone-else edging onto the front. Once Red Bull start adding straightline speed, I think everyone else can say bye-bye.

[megz]

Canada ... no Red Bull-style aero corners, plenty of long straights for Horner to complain about Renault engine-power again, and still early enough in the development window of their own F-duct that it won't be up to final speed, if it even runs.

If I was forced to have a bet, I'd stick a tenner on Hamilton, he's usually handy round there.
(Although McLaren appear to have buggered up the kerb-riding suspension and out-of-corner drive they used to enjoy, in favour of a car to go fast in S2 at Spa, so it would be a risky tenner).

Still, I think Canada represents the best (last ?) chance we'll get of someone-else edging onto the front. Once Red Bull start adding straightline speed, I think everyone else can say bye-bye.

He raced there twice, the first he won from pole (and good on him) in the second race he failed to stop at a red light and DNF'd. I don't think that's enough evidence for a usually

[thestig84]

He raced there twice, the first he won from pole (and good on him) in the second race he failed to stop at a red light and DNF'd. I don't think that's enough evidence for a usually

Fair enough the pit crash wasnt great but nothing to do with the circuit layout. That weekend in 08 he secured a dominant pole (by 0.6) and was leading well until the safety car came out leading to the pitlane red lightness!

Also his pole there in 07 was 0.4 quicker than . I agree it might be the best chance to get one up on redbull. Would make a nice change

[feynman]

The topic is qualifying,
If someone has qualified on a track twice, and stuck it on pole twice, and usually with the fat end of half a second to spare, then I honestly don't think we need the 'usually'.

Still don't quite totally see it myself, there would need to be slight odds to get that tenner out my pocket
... but I do think it's the best chance we have of someone sticking a nose in front of the fizzy drink duo. Or put another way, if the other teams can't figure out a way to grab a pole in Canada, with all the track variables so heavily tilted in their favour, then to answer the thread, no, Red will never not have a pole.

[feynman]

So anyway ... *



* assuming they can tilt the car up and get a cup of fuel out of it.

[ringo]

So anyway ... *



* assuming they can tilt the car up and get a cup of fuel out of it.

You didn't see that one coming. Should have placed you bet man.

[Richard]

So anyway ... *



* assuming they can tilt the car up and get a cup of fuel out of it.

Brilliant! =D> =D>

[ESPImperium]

So anyway ... *



* assuming they can tilt the car up and get a cup of fuel out of it.

More like the mandatory 1KG of fuel, whitch most teams have a emergency cut off now to make sure this dosnt happen.

But generally to get this out of the car they have to tilt the car, even scavage fuel out of the fuel filters etc...

Usually there isnt any checks for "density and analysed by gas chromatography" in between quali and the race any more so should be okay.

[lebesset]

eddie jordan said that as the car cools the fuel that has been there in the form of vapour when the car is hot condenses so that there will always be enough for a sample [ I thought that was a litre not a kilo ]
yes , I know jordan is a pillock , but I doubt he made that up on the spur of the moment

wonder how much fuel was actually left ? I know the press are generally reporting that he ran out , but the radio transmission told him to stop on the track so he probably did just that

btw , just noticed the headline here , hamilton ran out of fuel on his outlap

first time anyone has pushed their car to pole position? =D>

btw , I can't find the rule anywhere [ not unusual ] can anyone quote it ?
and does it say the car or the driver or both ?

[Pierre6]

Canada ... no Red Bull-style aero corners, plenty of long straights for Horner to complain about Renault engine-power again, and still early enough in the development window of their own F-duct that it won't be up to final speed, if it even runs.

If I was forced to have a bet, I'd stick a tenner on Hamilton, he's usually handy round there.
(Although McLaren appear to have buggered up the kerb-riding suspension and out-of-corner drive they used to enjoy, in favour of a car to go fast in S2 at Spa, so it would be a risky tenner).

Still, I think Canada represents the best (last ?) chance we'll get of someone-else edging onto the front. Once Red Bull start adding straightline speed, I think everyone else can say bye-bye.

Perfect prediction!
Cheers

[raymondu999]

I'm quite curious. What do you guys think of the next few races? I think Monza might NOT be an RB pole, and I think Spa will be very close, but it'll still be an RB pole. Also, we had the biggest margin ever (1.2) in Hungary. In Silverstone/Barcelona, they "only" had 0.8. Will we see this season an RB pole by at least equaling, or more than Hungary?