The Nigel Mansell Effect™

[manchild]

Fuel version is the one I remember hearing during broadcast from 1991.

Urban bashing legends you've mentioned are just few of several circulating, like letting his engine revs drop too low while he was waving to the crowd in celebration, thereby stalling the engine, which is plain stupid just as switch theory as the car can be push started at tens of times lower speeds (he'd just have to change to lower gear and start the engine with inertia he had)

Officially, it was a gearbox failure, which explains why previous theories fail.

[xpensive]

Fuel version is the one I remember hearing during broadcast from 1991.
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Officially, it was a gearbox failure, which explains why previous theories fail.

Never heard the gearbox xplanation either, but I remember Mansell himself blaming a computer suddenly "shutting down" on him.

[donskar]

Got to agree with manchild on Mansell: a whiner? Yes., But fast and tough. I saw him run in the New Hampshire IndyCar race -- very fast and very precise. I can't accept that mere luck brings a driver a WDC (and two 2nds) and an IndyCar chmpionship. And I believe that a driver (usually) ends up in a superior car because his superior talent has earned it.

[segedunum]

Webber is nothing like Nigel. Nigel was always there or thereabouts in championships and the signs were there when he was at Lotus. You don't get lucky with the positons he's been in. The signs were there for Jenson, so in a sense he is like Nigel but he hasn't suddenly just come good as Nigel didn't. Webber has always had a history of falling away in every championship he's competed for, even when he's been in good cars like he is now.

[WhiteBlue]

Mansell seriously ruined his rep with the desastrous 1995 come back in the McLaren. First he didn't fit the cockpit and he missed some races. When they had a specially made tub ready for him he could not get any half way decent results with it and quitt the job after two races. I wasn't impressed with the attitude. He should have stayed away from F1 or done it right. Michael Schumacher's or Nicki Lauda's come backs were showing the right attitude compared to Mansell's.

So just based on his last years you can say that he didn't impress. His highest achievements were in superior cars and the come back also played into that theme. Viewers who followed F1 from the nineties did not watch the things he did in the eighties to form the basis of getting the Williams drive. So it is probably an issue of going back far enough in history to appreciate the man in his entirety.

[andrew]

Mansell seriously ruined his rep with the desastrous 2005 come back in the McLaren. First he didn't fit the cockpit and he missed some races. When they had a specially made tub ready for him he could not get any half way decent results with it and quitt the job after two races. I wasn't impressed with the attitude. He should have stayed away from F1 or done it right. Michael Schumacher's or Nicki Lauda's come backs were showing the right attitude compared to Mansell's.

2005?

[WhiteBlue]

Mansell seriously ruined his rep with the desastrous 2005 come back in the McLaren. First he didn't fit the cockpit and he missed some races. When they had a specially made tub ready for him he could not get any half way decent results with it and quitt the job after two races. I wasn't impressed with the attitude. He should have stayed away from F1 or done it right. Michael Schumacher's or Nicki Lauda's come backs were showing the right attitude compared to Mansell's.

2005?

I think so. 1995 he did some unspectacular CART races and finished the season with deputising in Senna's Williams. He won the season finale in Adelaide that year when the WDC leaders crashed controversially. He had 2 DNFs a fourth place and a win from those four races.

[andrew]

Your ten years ahead of yourself. Try 1994 & 1995.

[WhiteBlue]

Of Course, you are right! Sorry for the confusion. I will edit it to put it right.

[Chaparral]

Webber is nothing like Nigel. Nigel was always there or thereabouts in championships and the signs were there when he was at Lotus. You don't get lucky with the positons he's been in. The signs were there for Jenson, so in a sense he is like Nigel but he hasn't suddenly just come good as Nigel didn't. Webber has always had a history of falling away in every championship he's competed for, even when he's been in good cars like he is now.

Go for it boy tell me exactly Webbers history and why you think he's failed in your eyes - I'd be real interested to hear your point of view.... I bet London to a brick on you can't.

[WhiteBlue]

Webber is nothing like Nigel. Nigel was always there or thereabouts in championships and the signs were there when he was at Lotus. You don't get lucky with the positons he's been in. The signs were there for Jenson, so in a sense he is like Nigel but he hasn't suddenly just come good as Nigel didn't. Webber has always had a history of falling away in every championship he's competed for, even when he's been in good cars like he is now.

Go for it boy tell me exactly Webbers history and why you think he's failed in your eyes - I'd be real interested to hear your point of view.... I bet London to a brick on you can't - just another tosser

Lol Chaparral, don't blow a gasket on segedunum and call him names. The guy is a hard core McLaren fan and will criticize every non McLaren driver. We certainly do not need more of your insults here.

[segedunum]

Go for it boy tell me exactly Webbers history and why you think he's failed in your eyes - I'd be real interested to hear your point of view...

For starters, his reputation in Formula 1 is built on qualifying with Michelins at Jaguar. Secondly, the one championship that should stand out to you if you knew anything at all about Webber's driving history, which I doubt, is when he was supposed to be Justin Wilson's closest challenger in Formula 3000 in 2001 and he fell away badly and repeatedly throughout the season. There were four non-finishes in the last four races as he finished 33 points behind. Neither Nigel Mansell nor Jensen Button have fell away quite as spectacularly as that.

Additionally, the signs were there last season when he was getting caught by Hamilton and Raikkonen in the championship.

I bet London to a brick on you can't - just another tosser

Uh, huh. I used to think this was a forum where knowing about a driver and his results before the last two races was a given, but apparently it's perfectly OK not to and be a tosser doing so.

[segedunum]

Lol Chaparral, don't blow a gasket on segedunum and call him names. The guy is a hard core McLaren fan and will criticize every non McLaren driver. We certainly do not need more of your insults here.

I find that hilarious given that I've been accused of being addicted to Red Bull and professing undying love for them, especially on various McLaren threads. As I said to those people though, I'm not particularly interested in ad hominem crap because you don't like what's being written because of your own preferences - which are based on very little. Reverse psychology.

However, just because I've had a pop at the new wunderkind Vettel (which you cannot respond to) and actually remember Webber before Barcelona I am now criticising every non-McLaren (read, Red Bull) driver, which is an interesting way of putting it.

[andrew]

Can the egos be left at the door please.

Someone insults you either report it, rise above it or do both. Don't drag the thread into a childish school yard brawl and ruin it for everyone else who is here for sensible discusion!

Lets be civil guys? No need for pitched battles is there?

[Mysticf1]

Is F3000 all u've got? Thats the only justification u ever give...And what is so bad about his qualifying performance on michelins? is that some kind of negative? Fact is u dont win races or out drive team mates by accident.

Mercedes sportscars ring a bell?

On another note, comparing drivers of different eras never works, how about comparing drivers of the same era in the same machinery.