Future of Turkish GP in doubt after 2011?

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Interesting details about the future of the Turkish GP
F1 boss wants $26 mln for İstanbul lap or no deal


A view of İstanbul Park which has hosted Formula One races since 2004. The Formula One commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone demands $26 million of annual rent for the race track, threatening to stop organizing the races in İstanbul otherwise. Ecclestone met with ministers Özak and Şimşek on this issue last Saturday. Formula One’s commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, who won all operating rights for İstanbul Park for seven years in 2004 and who had guaranteed to hold Formula One races there during this period, wants to double the annual rent of the race track, threatening to stop organizing the races in İstanbul otherwise.

The current contract outlines rent of $13.5 million annually through 2011.

Today’s Zaman has learned that Ecclestone spoke with State Minister for Sports Faruk Nafiz Özak and Finance Minister Mehmet Şimşek last Saturday, during the İstanbul Grand Prix.

Ecclestone stayed firm on his demand for $26 million per year and said: “I leave it up to you. India and Arab countries are all ready to take your place.” Özak’s response was to say: “This is İstanbul, one of the world’s most beautiful places. So is this racecourse.”

Youth and Sports Director (GSGM) Yunus Akgül, who was present at the meeting, said Ecclestone was adamant in his demand. After these talks, both sides understand the positions of all involved, and the process will be concluded within two months, Akgül noted to Today’s Zaman. “Turkey is definitely fond of hosting these races, and all this haggling is taking place for this. However, paying $26 million for this organization every year is a big burden. The figure is very high. We’ve approached the deal from a different angle. Our last offer was that he relinquish the operating rights to İstanbul Park, and we guaranteed that the track would be reserved for the organization for three weeks before and during the races. In return, we wanted him to come up with a new offer,” Akgül said. He admitted that if Ecclestone insists on a high annual fee for the races, Turkey would have to end its Formula One adventure.

GSGM has officially asked the İstanbul Chamber of Trade (İTO), the owner of İstanbul Park, for permission to take over the operating rights of the course, he stated.

The İstanbul Park course is idle for almost the entire year, except for a few small-scale events, and has been ever since it was constructed, Akgül noted, because the operating company asked for extremely high fees for use of the course. “If GSGM undertakes the operation of the course, it will open it up for events by the automobile and motorcycle federations, along with a number of auto races including the MotoGP.”

İstanbul Park’s groundbreaking ceremony was held in 2002 by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Construction was completed in two years with a total cost of over $260 million. It was leased to Ecclestone for a fee of $3 million per year.

05 June 2010, Saturday

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So Ecclestone is not very good at making money from the race track during the year. We have already heard from members here that he asks impossible prices for track days. This is confirmed by the article.

His idea of improving the business is simply having the tax payer stomp up the hosting fee which he wants to jack up from 13.5 to 26 mil $. It appears that the Turkish youth and sports minister thinks a different and local track operator from his organization can do much better over the year and can bring in higher revenues from other races and events. It appears that the prices are simply too high for the local motor sport economy.

It is no surprise that Ecclestone wants more money as most new races nowadays are bringing in more money. This hasn't been an issue so far because the initial contract was for 7 years and started with fairly low prices. The problem is that little development of the racing scene has taken place considering the Turks had this magnificent facility. They screwed up politically in the first place with the Cyprus demonstration and handed the whole business over to Bernie who apparently did nothing to get a proper marketing going.

I'm a big fan of the race. It has the second best elevation changes of all tracks of the current F1 season. In this it is only second to Spa. Beside the much known turn eight is also features a cork screw very similar to the famous one in Laguna Seca and a dip which is similar to Eau Rouge. I'm not bothered that they have only few viewers but that is going to change relatively soon. They are building a huge tunnel under the Bosporus to connect both parts of the city and that should put the track in better reach from the European side of the city.

So if the Turkish minister of youth and sport can run the track more effective and Bernie makes some concessions like risk sharing the race could be saved. I hope it will happen and we will see F1 go back in 2012 and beyond.
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He owns the GP theyve paid him (he took over the 'promotion' of the GP a few years back) as it dosnt make money................for gods sake give it a break WB your losing it ace.
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Chaparral, if you would care to read the post you would realize that I'm fully aware that Ecclestone runs the Istanbul race track.
WhiteBlue wrote:The problem is that little development of the racing scene has taken place considering the Turks had this magnificent facility. They screwed up politically in the first place with the Cyprus demonstration and handed the whole business over to Bernie who apparently did nothing to get a proper marketing going.
He does not own it though, as you believe. And for christ's sake stop insulting everyone on this board who does not share your personal opinion of the world and racing.

In five minutes you managed to call two different members idiot and tosser! I hope you get a temporal ban for this.
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Someone is going to be upset in 2 years when they go to open this thread and find out it is already open, but without the customary track/lap info as the first post!

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volarchico wrote:Someone is going to be upset in 2 years when they go to open this thread and find out it is already open, but without the customary track/lap info as the first post!
I promise to supply the info in time. In the meantime we need to monitor how the fate of the Turkish GP pans out. I bet tis has not been the last news we are to hear about the issue.
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Since this thread isn't about the actual GP I think that you should change the title so that it reflects the financial/FOM issues.

Opening a race thread two years in advance is absurd, to be completely honest.
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mx_tifosi wrote:Since this thread isn't about the actual GP I think that you should change the title so that it reflects the financial/FOM issues.

Opening a race thread two years in advance is absurd, to be completely honest.
It is your prerogative to make such changes, but the issue is exactly about the 2012 race and beyond. Why can't the race discussion not be tagged to the back of this thread? We did the same with the 2011 New York and the 2012 Austin thread. I don't care how it is named as long as the discussion is good.
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He does not own it though
well moot point - thing is Eccles owns the rights and thats where the money is so touche.............
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Chaparral wrote:
He does not own it though
well moot point - thing is Eccles owns the rights and thats where the money is so touche.............
And I have clearly said that Ecclestone owned the rights, so why did you attack me in the first place with an insult?

The on topic issue is how the conflict will go forward.

Will the Turkish ministry for sport and youth take over the running of the track?
Will the minister of finance accept a higher sanctioning fee eventually?
Will Ecclestone agree to risk sharing as he has in other cases and make the level of the fee contingent to the business success?
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It's a complicated matter. A lot complicated then you'd think. Well in fact it isn't. Let me tell you how it all pans out:

The main thing the situation is so strange, is because there aren't two sides to the story as many of you would assume; FOM (Bernie) and the Turkish Government (GSGM, Chamber of Commerce etc.). Well, there aren't two sides, because everyone is on the same side which is FOM / Bernie. The current administration of the Turkish Republic have no concern for the interests of the people - NONE whatsoever. In the 2002 elections they were granted huge sums by -well, mainly USA- to run their campaign, probably in excess of a billion US$. They are professional swindlers, so the only thing they would care about (other than their radical islamo-fascist ambitions & complying to orders from the USA and their side-kicks) is profit.

To summarize it, the future of the Turkish GP depends on how much bribe they'll be receiving from the dwarf. It's just another one of their elaborate schemes to suck tax payers' money. Who cares if the locals wanna run a track day ? There's simply not enough people voicing their concerns, and even if there were, they'd be silenced pretty quickly one way or the other. Welcome to the Banana Republic. I'm more than glad Atatürk can not see any of this.


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Shrieker wrote: To summarize it, the future of the Turkish GP depends on how much bribe they'll be receiving from the dwarf.
Shrieker, I'm confused by your post. You seem to indicate that the Turkish ministers are all corrupt and that backhanders are going to determine the course of the action.

Does that mean they will approve Ecclestone's price hike if he cuts them a bigger personal slice of the deal?
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That's pretty much it, yes. And yes, the current cabinet ministers are indeed (unfortunately) corrupt; at least the majority of them. In this country, backhanders determine the course of action in almost everything nowadays. Money talks.

Will they necessarily accept Mr. E's terms ? They may or may not. If they are offered bigger shares than they're getting now, it's very likely that Mr. E's terms will be accepted. The taxpayer (me) will be getting ripped of again and even more.
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I do hope it stays, it is the best new track we've got.

I must admit to being confused about the negotiations. Normally it is Bernie playing hard ball with the track owner/lease holder. But if Bernie is also the lease holder, how can he play hard ball with himself? (maybe Max could advise him on that ;) )

It seems the authorities are saying he can't have his cake and eat it. If he wants to be paid a fee then the track lease holding has to revert to a normal arrangement.