What is wrong with the safety car rule?

[WhiteBlue]

IMO there is no problem for me if pitting under safety car carries a clear disadvantage. It would lead to a minimization of the practice. That is what you want. You automatically have a minimum of hassle to sort any penalties out. After all the standard situation is still that drivers regularly do have no need to pit during a safety car and should not make life more difficult for race control.

Well, one lap is too much. And what if you really do need to stop? Like with a puncture?

How do you evaluate that? Lets say we avoid 99% of SC pit stops and somebody who has a puncture and has therefore lost position anyway looses another half lap. He would almost certainly have lost the same time if the field was on race pace. It seems a fair deal to me.

[timbo]

How do you evaluate that? Lets say we avoid 99% of SC pit stops and somebody who has a puncture and has therefore lost position anyway looses another half lap. He would almost certainly have lost the same time if the field was on race pace. It seems a fair deal to me.

Well, waiting for a SC to lap you can cause overheating easily.
How about "extended" drive-through after SC in? By "extended" I mean not to the limiter line but until the first SC line? Should make to much of a problem with safety as the pack would be blasting off start-finish at racing speeds.

[ISLAMATRON]

Close the pits when the SC comes out... all problems solved

[timbo]

Close the pits when the SC comes out... all problems solved

Islam, we're talking about exactly that here. However, if a driver has to change tyre or whatever in case of emergency he has to be allowed to do that but receive some sort of penalty.

[WhiteBlue]

How do you evaluate that? Lets say we avoid 99% of SC pit stops and somebody who has a puncture and has therefore lost position anyway looses another half lap. He would almost certainly have lost the same time if the field was on race pace. It seems a fair deal to me.

Well, waiting for a SC to lap you can cause overheating easily.
How about "extended" drive-through after SC in? By "extended" I mean not to the limiter line but until the first SC line? Should make to much of a problem with safety as the pack would be blasting off start-finish at racing speeds.

That one is difficult to call. If the drive through is from SCL#1 to SCL#2 it may be an adequate penalty but it could cause problems for drivers who would regularly use the pits in the race due to the speed differential.

The teams have better means of keeping the engine cool now. If they know from GPS that he has to wait 60s they can release him later and keep him cool with dry ice.

[jason.parker.86]

Bernie would be stupid to get a better race control. It causes a stir and thats good for his business because it makes F1 exciting, because lets be honest the only part of the sport that is any good is the contraversey off the track lol1

[ESPImperium]

Im sorry but the above is too complicated! They should do the following:

If SC lights come on dash the cars position is FROZEN. Cars can pit under the SC and they are allowed to overtake for position as long as they DO NOT go over a certain speed.

Lets not forget, the WHOLE idea a safety car is to protect the drivers and track marshalls.

Making it simple would not only be good for F1, but also be good for the viewers as we would not have to spend days on forums arguing who was right and wrong!

How are my rules complicated??? I think they allow the play to continue, but there are real race wreckers in there, real penalties, and some good realistic goals as well. Also why would you allow overtaking behind a saftey car??? Overtaking in the pits from a faster pit crew, fine, but please not out on track.

I feel this could make an freak result posible, and if re-fueling was re-introduced, a freak result like this would not only throw championship battles in the air for a race or two, it could also decide them also. Freak results i am all for.

Everyone else is trying to get rid of the freak results, not make them freakier!

Also in your scenario would Hamilton have been forced to pit for a new front wing in the last race, even though he could have continued and pitted with the others after the pit stop period? When would someone be forced to pit, how damaged must their car be?

That is minor damage, and therefore negligable, damage id be wanting to be pitted for would be say what happened in the Senna/Glock incedent or what happend with Schumacher at the first corner with Alonso. If its a end plate thats damaged and is slowly loosing or has lost parts and can still produce downforce and is 90% intact its fine, but generally damaged wings or supports would require a pit stop. Hope this clarifies things???

[Richard]

Close the pits when the SC comes out... all problems solved

Islam, we're talking about exactly that here. However, if a driver has to change tyre or whatever in case of emergency he has to be allowed to do that but receive some sort of penalty.

Easy, any driver who pits goes to the back of the field. No hanging around in the pit causing overheating or over crowding. No advantage gained.

[WhiteBlue]

Close the pits when the SC comes out... all problems solved

Islam, we're talking about exactly that here. However, if a driver has to change tyre or whatever in case of emergency he has to be allowed to do that but receive some sort of penalty.

Easy, any driver who pits goes to the back of the field. No hanging around in the pit causing overheating or over crowding. No advantage gained.

I like that one.

[timbo]

Close the pits when the SC comes out... all problems solved

Islam, we're talking about exactly that here. However, if a driver has to change tyre or whatever in case of emergency he has to be allowed to do that but receive some sort of penalty.

Easy, any driver who pits goes to the back of the field. No hanging around in the pit causing overheating or over crowding. No advantage gained.

What if every other car has to pit immediately after SC?
He would most definitely move up the order.

[ISLAMATRON]

Nobody has to pit... it is a choice... example? kOBAY THIS WEEKEND CHOSE NOT TO AND CAME UP ROSES, back of the line is enough... except for FErrari, they get a black flag for cheating

[WhiteBlue]

What if every other car has to pit immediately after SC?
He would most definitely move up the order.

Absolutely unrealistic without refueling. Cars do not have to pit immediately.

[WhiteBlue]

Nobody has to pit... it is a choice... example? kOBAY THIS WEEKEND CHOSE NOT TO AND CAME UP ROSES, back of the line is enough... except for FErrari, they get a black flag for cheating

ROFLMAO

[timbo]

What if every other car has to pit immediately after SC?
He would most definitely move up the order.

Absolutely unrealistic without refueling. Cars do not have to pit immediately.

What if somebody gambles for the rain?
And actually, on option tyre on worst case scenario the pit-stop window is quite narrow.

[ISLAMATRON]

take a gamble and youwin or lose... isnt that why its called gambling?