Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[dannyteasdale]

Sorry no wait - it wouldnt be dull.
We'd just all watch RedBull fight between themselves

[vall]

he is not at the moment. And how could he be desperate? He get fantastic gifts, even from places he could have never imagined. To mention a few:

1. Turkey. The two bulls collide gifting his the win. Not without the help of McLaren who stopped Button from overtaking him.

2. a few stars when he gained extraordinary places

3. Canada. 2 backmakers totally screwed up Alonso gifting LH a win he did not deserve.

4. Valencia. well, no need to say anything here

5. Silverstone. Takes out Vettel, but God said LH's front wing will not be damaged. Also, Alonso makes real bad start.

6. His main competitors have many misfortunes (The bulls, Alonso....)

7. has been given a few warnings by the stewards, but no penalty so far.

[PlatinumZealot]

I don't know what more people want of him. I remember all the over anxious claims on Youtube about the equally resume'd Hulkenberg coming in to show Hamilton how it's done. And look where Hulkenburg is compared to Barichello at this stage in the championship! And remember, Hulkenburg has been a Williams test driver for years, and he has the full support of the team and low and behold he can barely match old man Barichello when it comes out and out speed. It's not as easy as it seems this situation of a rookie coming in and matching an elite driver. Not even the seasoned Vettel who has just as much experience as Hamilton, can barely match Webber who is not an elite driver. I just don't know how people can see this and not realise that Hamilton was and is something very special.


But lets come to the present, if it was not Hamilton the RedBulls would be charging away with the championship.. nobody else on the field can come as close to the bulls.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

And this will be my last post on this specific topic.

Promises, promises! =D> =D> =D>

The specific topic of Hamilton beating Alonso in 2007, which he didnt.
Dont suppose you havent anything to add to the topic rather than to me in particular?

[myurr]

The specific topic of Hamilton beating Alonso in 2007, which he didnt.

According to the FIA Hamilton beat Alonso in every year he's been racing including 2007.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Hamilton is a brilliant overtaker, no question.

But he certainly has the tools. In 09 especially towards the second half, he used Mercedes KERS to perfection, it was actually vividly visible the difference it made.

This year he has the quickest car in a straight line, can anyone argue?

Now he also has the second best car, so overtaking Renaults and Mercs at the start of the year is a gimme! Look how Mercedes have used the F-duct and to help them, Button and Rosberg at silverstone compared to Rosberg Hamilton ain Oz.
Hamilton fans would say it was all about him, I would argue it was all about the F-duct.

The bottom line is, a driver cannot make a car go 10kmh faster down a straight through skill alone. Note in all of this, I havent said Hamilton is bad, he is very good. Just not as good as you think!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea through countback myurr.

F1 equivalent of penalties.

[andrew]

The team backed their long term investment plus Ron Dennis couldn't afford to have Hamilton loose.

[myurr]

Yea through countback myurr.

F1 equivalent of penalties.

So that doesn't count? Through the official way of judging who beat who Hamilton beat Alonso. Unfortunately the JohnsonsEvilTwin method of scoring championships isn't recognised by anyone else.

[vall]

But lets come to the present, if it was not Hamilton the RedBulls would be charging away with the championship.. nobody else on the field can come as close to the bulls.

Exactly! I just checked the standings. The bulls are indeed 50 points ahead of Button and Alonso...... If it was non LH they would be champs by now

[aral]

And this will be my last post on this specific topic.

Promises, promises! =D> =D> =D>

The specific topic of Hamilton beating Alonso in 2007, which he didnt.
Dont suppose you havent anything to add to the topic rather than to me in particular?

I repeat, promises, promises!

[dannyteasdale]

They do have the fastest car in a straightline indeed, but its a midfield car going through say the middle sector at Silverstone.
But again its other things which make Hamilton how good he is, Why arent the RB's running away with the championship? Because their drivers just arent as good as Hamilton, or Button for that matter. Thats what it boils down to.
Good car, bad car, you can always tell who has good talent if not from consistent finishes its from watching them.
I'd love to know if you guys are a 'rival' supporter of another team - that would make interesting reading.......

[speedsense]

And to add to this,once again, nobody in the history of F1 has gone this long without crashing out another car and ending that car's race, ON THE RACE TRACK. Only the "chosen one" has... it ain't desperate, it's just plain great car control and tenacity...

I think that go for too far: the "chosen one" Get back to the ground.....

As for you point, see last race again. Who punched Vettel's tire? Who crashed into Alosno in 2008? Collided with Massa 2008? To name a few. Well, he did not take them out completely, but he ruined either his or the other guy's races.

A driver "Choosen", "Raised" and "Engineered" by Ron Dennis....it is the truth, you can ignore it if you want...

Getting passed ruins one race, if you can't get back by. If you damage another car and not take him out of the race and not damage your own....I fail to see how this makes that driver reckless, dangerous or desperate. Passing is all about commitment, decisiveness, and control not only of your car but control of your position in relationship to the other car. It is so easy to get all of this or part of it wrong and crash both cars out. Hamilton has succeeded so far in not doing the latter. Contact just goes with the territory.
There is an intimidation factor to this for those getting passed, they know he won't grant you room and will contact you if he needs to.
Yes he's driven his opponents off the track, made contact and overstepped his/his cars bounds at times, but what other great driver hasn't.

I'll ask again, what other driver has done this for this long? I can't think of any....

[vall]

A driver "Choosen", "Raised" and "Engineered" by Ron Dennis....it is the truth, you can ignore it if you want...

The "Chosen one" is one and only one -- Anakin Skywalker

Yes he's driven his opponents off the track, made contact and overstepped his/his cars bounds at times, but what other great driver hasn't.

Sounds more like dirty, arrogant driver to me.....

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea through countback myurr.

F1 equivalent of penalties.

So that doesn't count? Through the official way of judging who beat who Hamilton beat Alonso. Unfortunately the JohnsonsEvilTwin method of scoring championships isn't recognised by anyone else.

So 109 points vs 109 points and you can conclude that one driver is superior to the other?
Alright if YOU can, I cannot though. And as a Follower of neither driver I feel my judgement not to be clouded on this issue, I take you support Hamilton, hence his 109 points is better, and you say the FIA method vindicates this(which they do).
However many millions of Alonso fans will tell you his 109 points to be the better becuase he earned the by fighting the very team he drove for!

As I say, Im indiffernet. Im a Kobayashi Raikkonen Hakkinen and Senna fan(Schumacher too in his benneton days).
My vested interest in Hamilton is seeing a Mercedes engined car win. And I love it when he does. But this stuff of him being a "great" etc is utter nonsense.
He is on the path to it, dont pre empt his greatness before it befalls him!

I cannot say fairer than that...........