Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[vall]

considering all the misfortunes Alanso has had this year, he is still in the title hunt with only 47 point (18 on the old system) behind LH (who was very fortunate quite a few times this year, no)

Edit: ugh post went weird. I'll write it again

Are you seriously suggesting that Alonso is in the form of his life and is the same mistake free and relentless charger we saw in his championship winning years?

Most of Alonso's misfortune have been either his or his teams making. Yes he's had some bad luck, but he's also made more mistakes than in previous years and his form has been full of peaks and troughs. The peaks have kept him vaguely in the championship hunt (would you put money on him to beat both McLaren's and both Red Bull's?) but for whatever reason he is not salvaging solid finishes on the bad days and taking frequent podiums and wins on the good days.

I am saying that he is still in the hunt, despite all bad luck.

He may not be in his top form yet. I think he has made some mistakes simply because he is pushing hard, but the car is not yet up to the challenge. (yes, I know what LH's fanboys will respond. Pushing hard is only reserved for LH, the others make mistakes because lack of skills )

would I put money on him to beat both McLaren's and both Red Bull's? Depends on how the car is during next couple of races and if the bulls get their act together. If the car is close to McL and the Bulls on pace, then why not? Especially if the bad luck stops. But for the moments, the car is probably behind. Well, the circumstances did not allow us to have a clear picture where exactly Ferrari are compare to the others.

[myurr]

I am saying that he is still in the hunt, despite all bad luck.

He may not be in his top form yet. I think he has made some mistakes simply because he is pushing hard, but the car is not yet up to the challenge. (yes, I know what LH's fanboys will respond. Pushing hard is only reserved for LH, the others make mistakes because lack of skills )

would I put money on him to beat both McLaren's and both Red Bull's? Depends on how the car is during next couple of races and if the bulls get their act together. If the car is close to McL and the Bulls on pace, then why not? Especially if the bad luck stops. But for the moments, the car is probably behind. Well, the circumstances did not allow us to have a clear picture where exactly Ferrari are compare to the others.

I don't actually disagree with you all that much. Alonso is pushing hard, but probably too hard. When he won his championships he drove with his head - pushed when he needed to, accepted good positions when he had to and couldn't push for the win. This year he seems to be so desperate to win that he is driving with his heart and is making many more mistakes.

In the past I would have actually thought that Hamilton drove with his heart, pushing at all costs. This year he seems to have tempered that just enough to also drive with his head. Making sure he's always finishing, minimising the mistakes, etc. To me that is the difference in the way they're driving this year.

[vall]

I am saying that he is still in the hunt, despite all bad luck.

He may not be in his top form yet. I think he has made some mistakes simply because he is pushing hard, but the car is not yet up to the challenge. (yes, I know what LH's fanboys will respond. Pushing hard is only reserved for LH, the others make mistakes because lack of skills )

would I put money on him to beat both McLaren's and both Red Bull's? Depends on how the car is during next couple of races and if the bulls get their act together. If the car is close to McL and the Bulls on pace, then why not? Especially if the bad luck stops. But for the moments, the car is probably behind. Well, the circumstances did not allow us to have a clear picture where exactly Ferrari are compare to the others.

I don't actually disagree with you all that much. Alonso is pushing hard, but probably too hard. When he won his championships he drove with his head - pushed when he needed to, accepted good positions when he had to and couldn't push for the win. This year he seems to be so desperate to win that he is driving with his heart and is making many more mistakes.

In the past I would have actually thought that Hamilton drove with his heart, pushing at all costs. This year he seems to have tempered that just enough to also drive with his head. Making sure he's always finishing, minimising the mistakes, etc. To me that is the difference in the way they're driving this year.

I agree with you on both points.

Alonso, after 2 lost years at Renault, now feels he got another chance, but seems too un-patient to get the results. He needs to calm down. After all, MS had to wait for 4 years before he got his 3rd WDC.

EDIT: ok, it was his 3rd

[andrew]

Try 3rd, not 4th.

94, 95, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Uh-Oh Uber Schumi in our midst!

[andrew]

No rant. Just FACTS.

Could be worse. Could be a Senna or Merc rant!

[PlatinumZealot]

Myurr,

If you contest that Heikki had the same treatment as Hamilton, then we should stop debating.
There is no question however that Lewis is the better driver.

You brought up Heikki as saying that the 09 McLaren made him look good towards the end of the season, the points and my memory say otherwise.

Monza Pole? Didnt make him look good no?

Factor in his 5 retirements to Lewis 1, without seeing the reasons, could be error or Mechanical. And the 1 stop strategies Mclaren loved to give Kovalainen....remember that?

They had to give him one stop is monza becuse one stop was the less risky strategy, coupled with the fact that Kovi just couldn't manage the softs he would just put them to waste and qualify 8th or something.

On the new parts allocations, There was only ONE time when Hamilton alone got upgraded parts..i think it was a new wing and floor or something. There was also a time when the team brought a new wing and Kovi didn't like it so He didn't run it. It was very fair at Mclaren in 2008 and 2009.

In 2009 the car was a dog on anything but high speed straight slow corner circuits. Hamilton did well to win 4 poles and 2 (could have been 3) races. Remember the 0.7 second RedBull but kicking in Abudahbi? classic. The man is great! just admit it!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

In 2009 the car was a dog on anything but high speed straight slow corner circuits. Hamilton did well to win 4 poles and 2 (could have been 3) races. Remember the 0.7 second RedBull but kicking in Abudahbi? classic. The man is great! just admit it!

It was no dog in the second half of the season.
If Heikki can stick it on pole, then you can certainly say its a good car!

You say he is great, I say he isnt.

Your a Hamilton afficionado, I'm not. I like him alot, I love his overtakes and he has bucket loads of potential. But for me, he isnt leagues ahead as you say.
There are a a few I would say have as much potential in the current batch.
Chiefly Kubica Rosberg and Kobayashi.
Vettel wouldve been there but it appears he cannot even be the best in his own team!

I hop that the 3 I mentioned eventually get the machines their talent deserve so we can say for sure who is who!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

OMG WTF LMFAO

As if by magic.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6269 ... prettiest-

[vall]

OMG WTF LMFAO

As if by magic.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6269 ... prettiest-

yeah, I read that in the morning. I liked the Rosberg bit

[andrew]

OMG WTF LMFAO

As if by magic.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6269 ... prettiest-

Wrng wrong wrong, they are all wrong. None of these drivers know what they are talking about!

For me Schumacher is best no question and Prost is a very close second and Senna a begruding third.

I wouldn't call the stick insect Nicole Scherzinger the best looking lassie. The slightst breeze (developed by whatever means) and she would take off!

Should these posts not be in the "Fanboy ying tong iddle eye po" or whatever it's called thread?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

OMG WTF LMFAO

As if by magic.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6269 ... prettiest-

Wrng wrong wrong, they are all wrong. None of these drivers know what they are talking about!

For me Schumacher is best no question and Prost is a very close second and Senna a begruding third.

I wouldn't call the stick insect Nicole Scherzinger the best looking lassie. The slightst breeze (developed by whatever means) and she would take off!

Should these posts not be in the "Fanboy ying tong iddle eye po" or whatever it's called thread?

The link includes Hamilton, and also rates Alonso as the best current driver!
So it has relevance on this thread.

Just thought I would smack two birds with one stone!

[myurr]

It was no dog in the second half of the season.
If Heikki can stick it on pole, then you can certainly say its a good car!

You say he is great, I say he isnt.

Kovalainen's problem tended to be race pace more than qualifying, he was always overworking the rear tyres. Also he wasn't on pole, he was second to Vettel. And Hamilton and Raikkonen were knocked out in Q2 after misjudging the weather so two of the top guys had removed themselves from having a shot at pole.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Who knows what Kova's issues were. More times than not Mclaren ushered him out with a prearranged script about "doing a job for the team".

I like Heikki, but he let himself get played. Webber is showing what you do when you get played. Perhaps Heikki wasnt good enough, maybe he didnt have the chance to be good enough.
I cannot say for certain but it will all out eventually.

[andrew]

Kovi had two problems - his team mate and the team boss. I think, no am convinced that Ron Dennis was instrumental in ensuring that Hamilton came out top especially with Alonso.

I read an interview with Mike Gascoynne a while ago where he said that during contract negotiations, Kovi was asking for various things that he didn't have at McLaren. Gascoynnes comments were that he was surprised and he though what Kovi was asking for was pretty standard stuff. Didn't list what he was asking for so it could have a few things but my tenner is on equal equipment.

Kovi certainly seems a lot happier in interviews now he is away from McLaren. Maybe it's to do with the Finish (Hakinnen was fairly dour at McLaren but seems a lot more relaxed in his TV appearences these days) or to do with the top teams PR as Raikonnen was the same at McLaren and Ferrari. Now he is rallying he seems like a different guy!