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Fernando Alonso has won the German GP but only thanks to Felipe Massa. The Brazilian took the lead at the start and remained at the front until Massa as asked to let the Spaniard through because he was faster. Sebastian Vettel completes the podium in third.
In the US, a few times something has happened in court known as "jury nullification". That is, you stand trial for a crime but instead of defending yourself you admit that you've run afoul of the law and use it as an opportunity to put the law itself on trial. You hear a lot of college kids saying that if they were busted for underage drinking or smoking the reefer that's what they'd do. And then they get arrested and it's either deny deny deny or walk in with your tail between your legs. The fact is it takes a very large pair to admit you violated the letter of the law, even if your defense it that everyone else is doing it. Once you cop to breaking a rule, you can never take it back.Paul Oz wrote:IMO - thats the only thing I have a gripe about. Not the team orders, which IMO they should have admitted like men, and I accept goes on anyway regardless largely noticed by most. But the fact that theyre lying to everyone about it when its clear to everyone what they did!?
That is massively obnoxious.komninosm wrote: [-X
Yes, TV is lying! It is not the first time.komninosm wrote:Where are the 2.8 and 3 sec stops? Was the TV lying?Pedro wrote:Pit-stop summary
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Green - supersoft; black - hard tyre
Source: F1news.cz
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No, he is not right.siskue2005 wrote: yup you are right,button had a 3 sec pitstop
That's a partial solution, but not entirely effective. Sadly, there are drivers who will allow themselves to become some else's bitch. I don't think there have ever been WDC's who were willing to accept such a role. And just look at the big noise Webber made at Silverstone. If any message came out of the "changes nose" incident is that Mark Webber made it clear to the entire world that he would never accept being number two to anyone. Good for him, that's the fighting spirit and mentality all great champions posess.Super racing wrote:The drivers need to come together as a whole and say outright that they, as sportsman, will not stand for team orders, that is the only solution.
I thought that at the time that Rob Smedley was very clear, slow and deliberate in what he was saying. Leads me to believe that this was all organised before the race, Massa and Smedley were understandibly disgruntled by it and thought, "you mess with us, we'll mess with you". Also Massa's very dour attitude after the race is very out of character for him. He always seems very talkative and cheery in interviews no matter what happens but it just strange him giving one word answers.Goran2812 wrote:Smedley and Massa had that talk on purpose... That tone of voice from Rob,those words, were used just for one thing... To bring Ferrari trouble and for everyone to hear...
And all of this crap from Domenicali and Massa and Alonso only buries them deeper...
A dream in a world of cynics like Montezemolo and Alonso. When it comes down to the hard reality a point lost in March counts as much as a point lost in October. Formula 1 is never fair or they would all tool around in spec cars. It is always down to who is more resourceful, richer, more experienced, more inventive, more effective at spying out the competitors (legally or otherwise) has hired the better driver, has better reliability and runs the shrewdest team strategy. In this game no team will give up an advantage for fuzzy feelings. Treating drivers equally isn't very high up on the agenda of any team I bet. They all do lip service of course to oil the PR machine and make brownie points with the public. I bet if Enzo Ferrari had been alive in 2003 he had told the FiA to stuff their team oder rule where the sun don't shine and had gone off to another series with his cars.myurr wrote:All drivers deserve the support of their team and a fair shot at the title, and only when it is clear that this is no longer feasible should the driver make the decision to back his team mate.
Thanks, nothing will happen there, enough time will pass by that no one will remember it correctly.strad wrote:Sept. 10th for the meeting
yep, I actually came to that conclusion my self... This situation was probably mentioned in a pre race meeting... and Massa and Smedley were probably given instructions on what to do if it came to this.... As I mentioned before, the two of them handled the situation in the most wrong and see thru way possible...andrew wrote:I thought that at the time that Rob Smedley was very clear, slow and deliberate in what he was saying. Leads me to believe that this was all organised before the race, Massa and Smedley were understandibly disgruntled by it and thought, "you mess with us, we'll mess with you". Also Massa's very dour attitude after the race is very out of character for him. He always seems very talkative and cheery in interviews no matter what happens but it just strange him giving one word answers.Goran2812 wrote:Smedley and Massa had that talk on purpose... That tone of voice from Rob,those words, were used just for one thing... To bring Ferrari trouble and for everyone to hear...
And all of this crap from Domenicali and Massa and Alonso only buries them deeper...
