I'm supporting not-Alonso

[doopie2you]

The fun thing is that Ferrari was the most upset at Valencia when Hamilton overtook the SC, and still got P2 out of it. And Ferrari fall back. They said the race was manipulated xD. That is just like saying you don't want somebody to jump of the bridge in the water and then do it himself

It would appear that Ferrari have learned the lesson from Valencia that you're better off breaking the rules and seeing what comes of it rather than sticking to the letter of the law and being disadvantaged.

Then i think they may be doing it wrong, McLaren got a DP and finished second:D Ferrari got a $100.000 fine and need to go to the WMSC, while the FIA already have declared that there were team orders. So i guess there will be a DQ for the team or the drivers that is the question i guess.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fnmhOlQisk[/youtube]

Just like to kick in a NICE video of it =D>

Nice HD, so we can see it more clear!

[ajams]

The fun thing is that Ferrari was the most upset at Valencia when Hamilton overtook the SC, and still got P2 out of it. And Ferrari fall back. They said the race was manipulated xD. That is just like saying you don't want somebody to jump of the bridge in the water and then do it himself

It would appear that Ferrari have learned the lesson from Valencia that you're better off breaking the rules and seeing what comes of it rather than sticking to the letter of the law and being disadvantaged.

Then i think they may be doing it wrong, McLaren got a DP and finished second:D Ferrari got a $100.000 fine and need to go to the WMSC, while the FIA already have declared that there were team orders. So i guess there will be a DQ for the team or the drivers that is the question i guess.

So it's not actually a question of right and wrong then, it's just a question of luck as to what punishment you get and how it affects your result.

Race control have been at the heart of far too many controversial incidents this season and inconsistency, slow decision-making and a seemingly ad hoc penalty system is doing the sport no favours.

Seems to me FOTA and the FIA need to get together to sort their rules and penalty procedures out, starting with the abolition of the pointless and universally flouted rule banning team orders.

Anyway, drifting off-topic here...

[nipo]

Not-Alonso, definitely!

Stupid Ferrari kicked Kimi out in the middle of the contract, and moved aside Massa who has served the team faithfully and came so close at clinching the title himself. All this for Fernando Crybaby Alonso. Unbelievable!

I'm so sick of this guy he has no grace. Shame on his blatant selfishness. Don't be fooled... he's not siding with the Ferrari top management he's just listing out his terms and keeping the pressure on the team to favour him unconditionally. We all know what he's capable of if the team fails him at that.

I wish he NEVER wins a championship again. I'll support whoever can smash his title hopes, even Hamilton, whom I don't like very much.

Myself a big Ferrari fan, I hope that:
1. People will stop buying Ferraris and their merchandize because of this negative publicity;
2. Ferrari will drop in performance and struggle for 3 years so Alonso will be fed up with them;
3. Something like a Spy/Crash-gate will happen within Ferrari, giving Alonso the chance to back stab the team and flee to safety (as he's always done).

That should conclusively end the relationship between Alonso and Ferrari, similar to Renault and McLaren. Then he'll have nowhere to go and quit F1.

I feel so perplexed to be cursing a team and a brand I love so much.

Well... earlier this year he has already caused me to cheer, for the first time ever, when something bad happened to a Ferrari...

[WhiteBlue]

Niki Lauda joins the not-Alonso list

I've never heard a driver talk such bullshit. He has no character.

[doopie2you]

I already wasn't a big fan of Schumacher. But now, he is on my DEFINITELY NOT list.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85581

[thestig84]

Fellow Not-Alonso'er here

I pretty much agree with your lists...my only addition would be to tag Chandhok on the end I know he isnt quite in the hunt but he is a ledge!

[marcush.]

I have grown a respectable distaste for alonso in his Mclaren year even before it became obvious he had even tried to blackmail Ron Dennis...he has shown again and again a suspicious character i am unable to find sympathy for .He is one very good driver..no doubts there.

Niki Lauda... the old man has his opinion ,sometimes it is funny sometimes it is not ,he does not seem to be that well informed these days ,even less than a few years back ...so he stirrs up controversy...thats what they pay him for..

[alberto222mx]

I already wasn't a big fan of Schumacher. But now, he is on my DEFINITELY NOT list.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85581

If Schumacher would have said something different he would be a hypocrit. I think is the only answer he could have given.

[gridwalker]

WE HAVE A PANTOMIME VILLAIN AGAIN

This is awesome : I love having a driver to boo and hating Schumacher hasn't been the same since he came back

Although never meant in malice, it certainly makes races more interesting

HE'S BEHIND YOU!!!

[Mandrake]

The fun thing is that Ferrari was the most upset at Valencia when Hamilton overtook the SC, and still got P2 out of it. And Ferrari fall back. They said the race was manipulated xD. That is just like saying you don't want somebody to jump of the bridge in the water and then do it himself

Well you cannot really compare these two incidents can you? Ferrari manipulated the order of THEIR drivers, it'd would've been a double victory in any case. What Hamilton did was manipulating the competition by passing the SC gaining a whole lap leaving the Ferraris somewhere in the midfield.

It's all down to the stupid aero restrictions and tires. Alonso was the faster man, he showed it in his falling back 3 seconds and quickly regaining the time as well as building up a 4 sec lead afterwards. If he had continued trying to pass Massa it could've led to a RB Turkey incident or car damage in terms of running hot or whatever. Massa being in front only resulted from a lucky start in Vettel's dead area of the mirror.....

Ohh and btw. I'm more a Massa than Alonso fan!

[doopie2you]

The fun thing is that Ferrari was the most upset at Valencia when Hamilton overtook the SC, and still got P2 out of it. And Ferrari fall back. They said the race was manipulated xD. That is just like saying you don't want somebody to jump of the bridge in the water and then do it himself

Well you cannot really compare these two incidents can you? Ferrari manipulated the order of THEIR drivers, it'd would've been a double victory in any case. What Hamilton did was manipulating the competition by passing the SC gaining a whole lap leaving the Ferraris somewhere in the midfield.

It's all down to the stupid aero restrictions and tires. Alonso was the faster man, he showed it in his falling back 3 seconds and quickly regaining the time as well as building up a 4 sec lead afterwards. If he had continued trying to pass Massa it could've led to a RB Turkey incident or car damage in terms of running hot or whatever. Massa being in front only resulted from a lucky start in Vettel's dead area of the mirror.....

Ohh and btw. I'm more a Massa than Alonso fan!

What Hamilton did was, because he didn't know what to do because of the rule confusion that was going on about the SC. What Ferrari did, was not JUST change the order of their drivers. They gave an order to Massa to let Alonso through. And i guess we both agree that is wrong. Actually Alonso has nothing to do with it, he just thought Massa made a mistake or something. But the fact he was so happy at the end of the race when he KNEW Massa let him through that is the reason i am Not-Alonso!

And even if you are 1 minute faster then your team mate, if he can keep you behind him then the teams have NOO right to say to the slow one he has to let him go. And if the Ferrari drivers are responsible enough then it would not have ended like Vettel and Webber in Turkey.

[mx_tifoso]

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And even if you are 1 minute faster then your team mate, if he can keep you behind him then the teams have NOO right to say to the slow one he has to let him go. And if the Ferrari drivers are responsible enough then it would not have ended like Vettel and Webber in Turkey.

Of course they have that right. Teams would prefer to win both championships instead of just the CC. In this case the closest to the title is Alonso, and they needed Massa to cede a few points to him in order to make it more possible. I don't see the difficulty in understanding this, or even the Ham-Kov version from years past. What was the point in Kovalainen finishing higher and holding back some points from Hamilton when we've come to find out that in recent years the title has been won by a difference of a point or two?

If a driver is faster and has a higher probability of winning the DC then the team has all the right to give him some advantages, especially when the teammate has not been doing so good. In Germany Massa was locking up and almost losing control on a consistent basis, were it not for the difficulty in overtaking Alonso would have overtaken him soon enough, so the team made the reasonable choice to swap the positions in a more controlled fashion.

[gridwalker]

The reason for the outrage in this incidence is the sense of natural justice; none of the other instances where team orders were used wrer quite as crass as robbing a long standing, faithful and reasonably successful driver of his maiden win following a near fatal accident in one of those very cars.

EXACTLY one year to the day after the accident, Massa could have given the crowd a fairytale but Ferrari snatched it away and gave it to the prima donna new boy.

I have never cheered a Ferrari victory, but I was on the edge of my seat cheering for Massa ... then the incident occured and I knew I'd never cheer for them.

Whether legal or not, Ferrari scored an own goal of epic proportions : the hearts of fans can be fickle things.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Mx

It the way that it was done. I respect Alonso as a great driver and I dont buy all this "character" bull.
They couldve made it look a lot cleaner than they did. Massa made his point very clear.
Also,all this anti Alonso sentiment...had anyone actually cared to see that Alonso was made an almost sole scapegoat for Mclaren's spying by the British media. I mean its not like Mclaren(being british) had anything to do with it? Their character assaination was complete and ruthless.
Yes he gave them ammunition, but they went too far.

In this case Alonso again is being villified, when the reality is that Ferrari are the main culprits. I think Alonso felt pretty sheepish in the end, and Massa should have been allowed to at least fight for his lead.

Bottom line here is, blame Ferrari, not Alonso.

[jwielage]

By its very definition a team is a group of players that coordinate to achieve the result most beneficial for the sum of the parts, not any single individual. When viewed in this cold and calculated manner, Ferrari's actions seem reasonable. What adds a shade of grey to this argument is the rule that "bans" team orders even though we all know they happen with regularity.

Let’s face it this is not an argument about team orders, or the German GP. This is an argument about a man who has (justifiably or not) become a polarizing figure in F1. If you like Alonso you will arrange the facts in a configuration that justifies Sunday’s actions. On the other hand if you dislike FA you then you will find a way to condemn him.