I'm supporting not-Alonso

[gibells]

True apart from the blackmail. Anyway that was then...And this being now,

Controversy always seems to follow the guy.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea, I would go along with some of that, but that is also due to alot of negative publicity.
When did anyone Blame Schumacher or Hakkinen when this sort of thin went on?

The Media have their villain, and they wont let up.

[WhiteBlue]

True apart from the blackmail. Anyway that was then...And this being now,
Controversy always seems to follow the guy.

Yea, I would go along with some of that, but that is also due to alot of negative publicity.
When did anyone Blame Schumacher or Hakkinen when this sort of thin went on?
The Media have their villain, and they wont let up.

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public. Alonso seems to feel no constraint to complain to the Spanish media about whichever team he happens to be driving for. He whined about Renault not giving him the same support Schumacher got. He did not accept equal treatment at McLaren and blackmailed Dennis and I'm sure he will kick Ferrari in the balls as soon as he is unhappy with them. The other great drivers give something back for the demands they make on their teams. Alonso perceives the whole world from his isolated perspective which includes no loyalty at all for people who make sacrifices for him. I believe this character trait will deny him the total support at Ferrari some time when things get tight. He will never mobilize Ferrari for more than a decade in success and failure the way Schumacher did.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public.

Has Alonso criticised ferrari WB?

What happened at Mclaren has got naff all to do with whats happening now.

[mx_tifoso]

Exactly JET, hence why I have trouble seeing why it's the main theme in any thread about Alonso.

[myurr]

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public.

Has Alonso criticised ferrari WB?

What happened at Mclaren has got naff all to do woth whats happening now.

Read his post again, he didn't say that he had yet to criticise Ferrari. Give him time and I'm sure he will but he hasn't needed to just yet, beyond the 'This is ridiculous' and other radio comments. So far the team has bent to his will, when he pushes them too far and they refuse to bend any further, then see if he's so polite.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So We can expect Hamilton to lie again, Schumacher to crash into a rival again, and Mclaren to thief details again?

The benefit of the doubt should apply to Alonso as well.

[myurr]

So We can expect Hamilton to lie again, Schumacher to crash into a rival again, and Mclaren to thief details again?

The benefit of the doubt should apply to Alonso as well.

No, yes, no

The benefit of the doubt lasts a while and yes I still believe in innocence until proven guilty. But past record does come into account and Alonso has shown plenty of the same character traits and sense of entitlement behind the wheel this year.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So We can expect Hamilton to lie again, Schumacher to crash into a rival again, and Mclaren to thief details again?

The benefit of the doubt should apply to Alonso as well.

No, yes, no

The benefit of the doubt lasts a while and yes I still believe in innocence until proven guilty. But past record does come into account and Alonso has shown plenty of the same character traits and sense of entitlement behind the wheel this year.

Myurr

This does not excuse the fact that Alonso was not the prepetrator of this weekends events. However you paint it, Ferrari and NOT Alonso, got it wrong.

[WhiteBlue]

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public.

Has Alonso criticised ferrari WB?

Alonso hasn't gone through anything remotely as bad as Schumacher got at Ferrari for instance in 1996 and 2005. He joined the team in a car that is capable to win a championship. We have yet to see what happens when Alonso and Ferrari are truly experiencing a period of some years of adversity without a championship. It is then that the team building skills are put to the test. Great leaders pull the team through such periods and egotists simply turn their backs and look for the next competitive team.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public.

Has Alonso criticised ferrari WB?

Alonso hasn't gone through anything remotely as bad as Schumacher got at Ferrari for instance in 1996 and 2005. He joined the team in a car that is capable to win a championship. We have yet to see what happens when Alonso and Ferrari are truly experiencing a period of some years of adversity without a championship. It is then that the team building skills are put to the test. Great leaders pull the team through such periods and egotists simply turn their backs and look for the next competitive team.

WB So its about the competitiveness of the car now?

[WhiteBlue]

Schumacher and Hakkinen never criticized their team in public.

Has Alonso criticised ferrari WB?

Alonso hasn't gone through anything remotely as bad as Schumacher got at Ferrari for instance in 1996 and 2005. He joined the team in a car that is capable to win a championship. We have yet to see what happens when Alonso and Ferrari are truly experiencing a period of some years of adversity without a championship. It is then that the team building skills are put to the test. Great leaders pull the team through such periods and egotists simply turn their backs and look for the next competitive team.

WB So its about the competitiveness of the car now?

Nope, its about Alonso's lack to lead a team in stormy weather. Every good driver can jump in a good car and become WDC. But only the true leaders with some social skills can transform a team and bring it 100% behind them in good and bad times. Alonso IMO cannot do that. At least his actions so far suggest he hasn't got the character for it.

[mx_tifoso]

What about his time at Renault? He was there through the thick and thin, and only until he won two titles did he leave to find another "challenge".

[FrukostScones]

So We can expect Hamilton to lie again, Schumacher to crash into a rival again, and Mclaren to thief details again?

The benefit of the doubt should apply to Alonso as well.

No, yes, no

The benefit of the doubt lasts a while and yes I still believe in innocence until proven guilty. But past record does come into account and Alonso has shown plenty of the same character traits and sense of entitlement behind the wheel this year.

Myurr

This does not excuse the fact that Alonso was not the prepetrator of this weekends events. However you paint it, Ferrari and NOT Alonso, got it wrong.

Alonso not the perpetrator of this shameful event: This is ridiculous!

[Super racing]

So We can expect Hamilton to lie again, Schumacher to crash into a rival again, and Mclaren to thief details again?

The benefit of the doubt should apply to Alonso as well.

....
Hamilton was directed to lie to the FIA, proof of this was his words of truth to the Media just after the race, that were used to proove he was lieing in front of the FIA. The team member that instructed him to lie was fired.

MxcLaren DID NOT "thief" or steal anything... the Ferrari info was given to a McLaren employee by a disgrunted Ferrari employee... there were no McLaren Ninjas infiltrating Marenello as you want to portray the situation.