I'm supporting not-Alonso

[WhiteBlue]

What about his time at Renault? He was there through the thick and thin, and only until he won two titles did he leave to find another "challenge".

I remember very team critical statements from Alonso in 2006 when he publicly complained that the team did not support him appropriately. I don't want to go to the effort of googling those things but they must have been pretty depressing for the team. And if you look at his second stint with Renault in 2008/2009 he had some highly critical things to say about the team.

Good team leaders say we have more work to do. Bad leaders say the car is sh!t and the team is not supporting me as my competitors are being supported by their teams. They fail to see that they are not supporting their team in the first place and that the team consequently isn't 100% motivated.

[Just_a_fan]

Good team leaders say we have more work to do.

Something Hamilton is usually good at although he does slip in to "the car's not good enough" mode occasionally. It's usually "we've got work to do" though which is important for the team to hear. Button seems to have picked up on this too this year. Remember last year when he was struggling in the second half of the season - "how has this car got so bad all of a sudden" on the radio is not good for morale. It suggests that the team are at fault even if that was not his intention (which it probably was not).

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

What about his time at Renault? He was there through the thick and thin, and only until he won two titles did he leave to find another "challenge".

Some people think Alonso only existed from 2007
I see him as the guy that beat Schumacher twice in a Renault, and did so in the face of a lot of Ferrari protests and FIA bans.
He is no Angel, so what? Can he drive? Hell yea! Keep the character stuff for Story books.
And if some must insist on attacking Alonso's character, perhaps they could compare his "character" against other F1 champions in the last 10 years rather than say "Alonso is bad cos....". ?

Bad in relation to who?

[mep]

One position will probably ever be booked for Alonso:
Number one in bad boy list.
Has there ever be a driver behaving worse than Alonso?

We should do a list of all the delicts he had done during his F1 career.
Starting with the small ones he does every race(hand waving, whining) up to the things severe ones nobody can top (asking team-mate to crash, blackmailing team)

I don't understand how anybody can be Fan of such a guy.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@ Mep

Have you seen this?

http://vimeo.com/13002137

Oh and WB you mention moaning at the team..... seen this?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgdCi1Q5uA[/youtube]

[vall]

One position will probably ever be booked for Alonso:
Number one in bad boy list.
Has there ever be a driver behaving worse than Alonso?

We should do a list of all the delicts he had done during his F1 career.
Starting with the small ones he does every race(hand waving, whining) up to the things severe ones nobody can top (asking team-mate to crash, blackmailing team)

oh yeah, let's do that but not only for Alonso! LH, Shummy, etc. should be included as well and see what comes out.

[mep]

@JohnsonsEvilTwin
I dont see anything bad in beeing critical about own strategy.
Alonso whines about other drivers who don't let him pass.
What a racer he is?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@JohnsonsEvilTwin
I dont see anything bad in beeing critical about own strategy.
Alonso whines about other drivers who don't let him pass.
What a racer he is?

Oh so "Whos fricking idea was it to bring me in?...Terrible idea!"
Isnt critical of his team?
Thats just this year!

You are a fan of Hamiltons, fair enough, brilliant driver. But if you are going to say "I hate Alonso because he criticizes his team", then actively promote Hamilton, isnt that hypocritical if you dont mind me saying?

[Pierce89]

@JohnsonsEvilTwin
I dont see anything bad in beeing critical about own strategy.
Alonso whines about other drivers who don't let him pass.
What a racer he is?

What an immature fanboy prat playground this thread is! Alonso isn't any different than Lewis as far as ego or complaining. The British press and British TV commentators mysteriously steer clear of any of LH's negative comments and whinges, and just as mysteriously focus on Alonso's. I say mysteriously because the British press would surely never do anything like showing bias. I thnk surely the people on this thread are way above bias or nationalism. That would never happen surely. I must just be that Alonso is Satan and Hamilton is Christ. Surely that must be it because all the LH fanboys would never show bias or act ridiculously unreasonable.
What a load of dog feces this thread is.
Yes I'm a Ferrari fan. So what, this is still ridiculous. Jenson tries a move on Lewis in Turkey then he get's told to slow down. Surely you can see the similarities.Ferrari or Red bull fans did not start going psycho over that. So, why must the Macca fans behave like this now.

[mep]

Why you come up with the idea that I am a Hamilton fan?
In fact I am not. You can't start fanboy fight with me.

You are a fan of Hamiltons, fair enough, brilliant driver. But if you are going to say "I hate Alonso because he criticizes his team", then actively promote Hamilton, isnt that hypocritical if you dont mind me saying?

Why you think I hate him because of critizizing his team?

Maybe you should spent more time on reading than putting some wrong words into my mouth. Or better think about what Pique might think about Alonso.
He had to sacrifice his career for him.

That would never happen surely. I must just be that Alonso is Satan and Hamilton is Christ.

Have you also seen that Alonso made a 1.xx.666 lap during Hockenheim race?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Alonso isn't any different than Lewis as far as ego or complaining. The British press and British TV commentators mysteriously steer clear of any of LH's negative comments and whinges, and just as mysteriously focus on Alonso's. I say mysteriously because the British press would surely never do anything like showing bias. I thnk surely the people on this thread are way above bias or nationalism. That would never happen surely. I must just be that Alonso is Satan and Hamilton is Christ. Surely that must be it because all the LH fanboys would never show bias or act ridiculously unreasonable.
What a load of dog feces this thread is.

+1

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Why you come up with the idea that I am a Hamilton fan?
In fact I am not. You can't start fanboy fight with me.

Mep,

This wasnt a criticism, Hamilton has fans, you may or may not be one of them.
My point here is, you come into this thread saying how bad Alonso is, without giving any alternative example of what a good drivers "character" is or an example of one.

If you are going to criticise Alonso for the reason you gave, you should also be aware that Hamilton, Schumacher, Montoya, Kubica, Heidfeld, Webber, Vettel, Barrichello and many more before these, are also guilty of some of the things you mention.

Alonso isnt a Hero, I appreciate that. So what? He is a double world champion having started his career in a minardi. For that he earns my respect for having got his titles "the hard way" regardless of what the british press think.

[jwielage]

Alonso isn't any different than Lewis as far as ego or complaining. The British press and British TV commentators mysteriously steer clear of any of LH's negative comments and whinges, and just as mysteriously focus on Alonso's. I say mysteriously because the British press would surely never do anything like showing bias. I thnk surely the people on this thread are way above bias or nationalism. That would never happen surely. I must just be that Alonso is Satan and Hamilton is Christ. Surely that must be it because all the LH fanboys would never show bias or act ridiculously unreasonable.
What a load of dog feces this thread is.

+1

+2

Or better think about what Pique might think about Alonso.
He had to sacrifice his career for him.

Implying that Alonso was responsible for crash-gate is unfounded. Furthermore no proof exists that he any had prior knowledge of the incident. To suggest that he is responsible is your opinion and nothing more.

Lets speculate for a moment on who had the incentive to perpetrate and execute the crash-gate scandal. Who had the most to gain?
1. A driver who has two WDC under his belt, during a season where he had absolutely no chance of winning another title. After having tasted real, earned glory, he desperately pleads for his team to cheat to get him back on the top step.
2. A team (namely the man in charge of it) trying to retain one of the grid's best drivers. Proving that they can put their man on the top step may make the difference in retaining him.
3. A driver fighting for his F1 life and would do anything to remain in the sport. Conceivably such an individual would willingly participate in(or potentially scheme up) a dubious act in effort to prove that he is the ultimate team player.

I think you can see where I'm going with this. If you ponder each party's incentives Alonso has seemingly nothing to gain, in proportion to the interests of the other players involved. Obviously I have no proof supporting my theory, but which of these theories passes a "reasonableness" test?

[Boost fien]

Hello guys ,

i know exactly how you feel OP, i felt the same way last year , when brawn was lying and cheating Rubens with blatant team orders so Button could win the WDC and it was worst, because Button was slower than Barrichello unlike Alonso who is obviously faster than Massa and 38 points ahead in the WDC chase. So last year it was anyone but Button ....

This year it is anyone But vettel , as RB has been caught on numerous occasions this year favoring Vettel over Webbo .. So yes this year it is anyone but Vettel for me...


I guess it is all WWF1 now ...... =D>

[Boost fien]

Why you come up with the idea that I am a Hamilton fan?
In fact I am not. You can't start fanboy fight with me.

Mep,

This wasnt a criticism, Hamilton has fans, you may or may not be one of them.
My point here is, you come into this thread saying how bad Alonso is, without giving any alternative example of what a good drivers "character" is or an example of one.

If you are going to criticise Alonso for the reason you gave, you should also be aware that Hamilton, Schumacher, Montoya, Kubica, Heidfeld, Webber, Vettel, Barrichello and many more before these, are also guilty of some of the things you mention.

Alonso isnt a Hero, I appreciate that. So what? He is a double world champion having started his career in a minardi. For that he earns my respect for having got his titles "the hard way" regardless of what the british press think.

+ 10

There is not enuff bandwidth to discuss schumacher's malfeasance , really ironic! to hear schumacher fans complaining about team orders ...

priceless really =D>


As for crashgate , Alonso was the one that lost out with that stupidity , because it allowed Briatore to enact his contract keeping Alonso at Renault for 1 more year. If not for the results in Singapore Alonso would have been free to leave Renault that year ...

Where is the logic in it for him ........... [-X