I'm supporting not-Alonso

[FW17]

I think we should start a thread of how biased the english press is towards certain drivers.

You imply we got affected by the press.

I don't know about the others, but for me in 2006 when he mentioned he's not being supported enough and was feeling alone in that race (forgot which) where Fisi was leading and he was a few places down, I already felt... "strange" to say the least. What are you? Leading a championship (having won one already), enjoying a clear #1 status, lose out in ONE race and you start to complain?

How did you conclude that his statement was made of the situation in the race and not of Renault s support of the F1 team in terms of resources. Renault was falling behind in the development race to ferrari after the mass damper being banned, so what is wrong in asking the team to raise its game.

Then he decides to join McLaren. Maybe he knew Renault was going down, but I still think McLaren might have promised him some things. After all, they were signing a fresh two-time champion! And then when Alonso wasn't pulling away and Hamilton scored 9 podiums from his maiden drive, I smelled trouble. And I was right.

Mclaren was a great move for him, but what can he do when his mechanics and engineers become passionate hamilton fans and top management refused to correct the situation (and was not possible).

[mep]

You should also realize that teams don't hire the driver alonso they rather want the spanish sponsors he brings with.

[Steven]

One position will probably ever be booked for Alonso:
Number one in bad boy list.
Has there ever be a driver behaving worse than Alonso?

We should do a list of all the delicts he had done during his F1 career.
Starting with the small ones he does every race(hand waving, whining) up to the things severe ones nobody can top (asking team-mate to crash, blackmailing team)

I don't understand how anybody can be Fan of such a guy.

Actually I can name a few, Piquet Sr. would be a good example. How is it anyway possible to judge one's behaviour as a driver when you don't know how he is with his team. All that is seriously possible as emotions here is disliking relating to on-track actions and during interviews. But that's it.

I have also read remarks here about Hamilton never complaining to his team in the last 3.5 years. May I however remind you that up until this year, McLaren and Ferrari encoded their radio conversations and did not allow the FIA to use them on TV, except when they agreed. All other teams at the time had no problem with that, and that happens to include Renault, a team for which Fernando used to drive.

And for you lack of understand how anyone can support Alonso. That's actually fairly simple, he is pretty talented and bloody quick.

Personally I'm convinced that the McLaren situation has considerably changed him. I regarded him during his first Renault period as young and emotional, while now I have the impression that missing a few championships in recent years have made him too desperate to get another one. Maybe he will calm down if he could clinch it this year, who knows...

You should also realize that teams don't hire the driver alonso they rather want the spanish sponsors he brings with.

Oh please, do you actually believe what you write?

[Just_a_fan]

I think we should start a thread of how biased the english press is towards certain drivers.

Indeed. In it we could include the Spanish press that will be biased towards Alonso, the Italian press that will be biased towards Ferrari, the German press that supports German drivers.

See where this is going?

[FW17]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

[FW17]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

[myurr]

I think we should start a thread of how biased the english press is towards certain drivers.

And one for how biased the spanish press is? And the German press? And the Italian press? And how biased certain fans are? Yes there are biases in the world but no Alonso's poor public image is not down to them. I rarely read the press beyond autosport and James Allen's blog and yet I have a very poor view of Fernando mostly through his on screen behaviour and demeanour.

You imply we got affected by the press.

I don't know about the others, but for me in 2006 when he mentioned he's not being supported enough and was feeling alone in that race (forgot which) where Fisi was leading and he was a few places down, I already felt... "strange" to say the least. What are you? Leading a championship (having won one already), enjoying a clear #1 status, lose out in ONE race and you start to complain?

How did you conclude that his statement was made of the situation in the race and not of Renault s support of the F1 team in terms of resources. Renault was falling behind in the development race to ferrari after the mass damper being banned, so what is wrong in asking the team to raise its game.

As that was how most people interpreted it at the time. If I remember correctly the subtext was that Alonso didn't perform well in that race as the team was not supporting him enough - nothing to do with him, purely down to the support he had. Again, if I remember correctly, the reason he gave at the time was because the team knew he was leaving for McLaren so he felt they were freezing him out.

Then he decides to join McLaren. Maybe he knew Renault was going down, but I still think McLaren might have promised him some things. After all, they were signing a fresh two-time champion! And then when Alonso wasn't pulling away and Hamilton scored 9 podiums from his maiden drive, I smelled trouble. And I was right.

Mclaren was a great move for him, but what can he do when his mechanics and engineers become passionate hamilton fans and top management refused to correct the situation (and was not possible).

[/quote]

This is a big pile of steaming doo doo. Alonso's problem was never that his McLaren engineers and management were rabid Hamilton fans it was because they refused to provide him with unfair advantages over Hamilton. McLaren have traditionally given both drivers an equal platform - something they have not always got 100% right, but they have a better history than most - and Alonso wasn't happy with that. He couldn't compute that any driver let alone a rookie was able to match and sometimes even beat him on track and so he wanted the McLaren management to put a stop to it.

Thankfully they refused, but Alonso's reaction to that was to attempt to blackmail the team principal. That action alone is indefensible.

[myurr]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

Err no, you have come to that conclusion. The press distort and exaggerate, but hopefully most fans can see past that to the underlying truth and make their own judgement.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

Err no, you have come to that conclusion. The press distort and exaggerate, but hopefully most fans can see past that to the underlying truth and make their own judgement.

Not entirely in alonso's case.

[vall]

Thankfully they refused, but Alonso's reaction to that was to attempt to blackmail the team principal. That action alone is indefensible.

please, let not distort the facts.... Alonso's reaction was prompted by the arrogant on- and off-track behaviour of LH. He refused several times to follow the pre-agreed team strategy to let Alonso do one more fuel-burning lap. LH was repeatedly asked to do that but he refused and even used the f-word on Ron (something that McLaren covered up later). What was Alonso supposed to do? Just take that and move forward? [-X I don't think any WDC would have done that.

[vall]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

Err no, you have come to that conclusion. The press distort and exaggerate, but hopefully most fans can see past that to the underlying truth and make their own judgement.

... and I hope that most fans could see what hides behind the LH's fake "innocent/mister nice guy" smile....

[Just_a_fan]

So we have come to a conclusion that the english press is biased against FA and SV and they have corrupt many of our forum members

When did "we" come to that conclusion?

As an Englishman living in England I can tell you that the press have very little influence on me because I 'read around the subject'. I don't take a newspaper (my good lady takes the Observer (a Sunday paper) but F1 barely features in that at all) preferring to use multiple internet sources to try to build a picture of the sport.

By the way, is the press in your country totally unbiased?

[xpensive]

Quite fascinating this, on a forum named F1Technical, a nonsense-thread like this can gather 146 posts in 48 hours?

[myurr]

Not entirely in alonso's case.

So he didn't drive into Webber's wreckage in Brazil 2003 at full throttle despite double waved yellows? And he never admitted that he saw the flags but kept his foot down trying to gain an advantage?

So he didn't blackmail Ron Dennis during the spy gate affair, not for more but for on track advantage over his rookie team mate?

So he knew nothing of the Singapore crash and of the team orders vs Massa in the last race, and doesn't consider either race to be a valid victory?

I could probably live with the whining and whinging, I wouldn't like the guy but I could understand that there would be those that do. He was afterall the driver who took the challenge to Schumacher and beat him on track, often with superior drives in an inferior car. I wanted to like him through that period because of that, but he made it difficult.

The two events that I first listed in this post, the crash and the blackmail, are the two that I feel are unforgivable and leave me wondering how anyone can justify his behaviour. All the other examples, and there are many many examples of his poor attitude, merely build on those two events for me and solidify the overall impression of a desperate driver who uses and then alienates those around him, demanding unquestioning loyalty but never giving it.

[myurr]

Thankfully they refused, but Alonso's reaction to that was to attempt to blackmail the team principal. That action alone is indefensible.

please, let not distort the facts.... Alonso's reaction was prompted by the arrogant on- and off-track behaviour of LH. He refused several times to follow the pre-agreed team strategy to let Alonso do one more fuel-burning lap. LH was repeatedly asked to do that but he refused and even used the f-word on Ron (something that McLaren covered up later). What was Alonso supposed to do? Just take that and move forward? [-X I don't think any WDC would have done that.

Where the hell did you get that from? It's easy to show that Lewis's 'arrogant' behaviour was a direct reaction to Alonso's demands within the team to side line him and support Alonso. Yes he fought back and it culminated with Alonso BLACKMAILING Ron Dennis. This is not equivalent of swearing down the radio or refusing team orders, etc. You keep using the word 'fact' but I do not think it means what you think it means.