Fernando Alonso has won the German GP but only thanks to Felipe Massa. The Brazilian took the lead at the start and remained at the front until Massa as asked to let the Spaniard through because he was faster. Sebastian Vettel completes the podium in third.
It doesn't mean he would not have any influence.ecapox wrote:Actually, the first thing that Todt did as president of the FIA is remove himself from the WMSC meetings. So, he wont be making ANY decision when the WMSC meets to determine Ferrari's fate.
How's that?andrew wrote:Austria 2002 was understandfable (not right though) as there was a championship at stake. This year there is not for Ferrari and it is inexcusable.
Yep. But Schu was clearly leading in championship.andrew wrote:As I saud, in 2002 there was a championship at stake.
Alonso is 34 points behind with 8 GPs left with a much more rewarding points system. You are wrong.andrew wrote:This year Ferrari havn't got a hope. They are too far behind.
andrew wrote:Austria 2002 was understandfable (not right though) as there was a championship at stake. This year there is not for Ferrari and it is inexcusable.
andrew wrote:As I saud, in 2002 there was a championship at stake. This year Ferrari havn't got a hope. They are too far behind.
Goran2812 wrote:andrew wrote:Austria 2002 was understandfable (not right though) as there was a championship at stake. This year there is not for Ferrari and it is inexcusable.andrew wrote:As I saud, in 2002 there was a championship at stake. This year Ferrari havn't got a hope. They are too far behind.
your math doesn't add up at all... think before you post something like that please... [-X [-X [-X
Fair enough, I don't wanna join this never ending argument. Just a question:andrew wrote:Goran2812 wrote:andrew wrote:Austria 2002 was understandfable (not right though) as there was a championship at stake. This year there is not for Ferrari and it is inexcusable.andrew wrote:As I saud, in 2002 there was a championship at stake. This year Ferrari havn't got a hope. They are too far behind.
your math doesn't add up at all... think before you post something like that please... [-X [-X [-X
No maths needed so [-X [-X [-X to you too.
Ferrarri got lucky in Germany. Vettel fluffed the start and the rest of the usual suspects fluffed qualifying. There is no way that Ferrari will consistantly beat McLaren and Red Bull for the rest of the season. Yes you too should think. [-X
Okay, I understand your viewpoint, personally I don't agree just yet. I think they've had the pace the last few races. But I also think that McLaren and Red Bull will hit back. We'll see in a couple of races if you are right!andrew wrote:Of course they can believe - just not lie to the fans, the FIA and basically everyone. This was nothing to do with the "team game" but everything to do with a certain Spanish bak who sponsors the German GP, Ferrari and was instrumental in bringing a Spanish driver into Ferrari.
If they were closer to the top of the points tables and/or had been putting in top performances at all races (and had just suffered bad luck) then there would be some justification but they havn't. The fact car just hasn't been good enough since Bahrain makes me believe that this result was just a one off.
In 2002 virtually all doubt of a Schumacher/Ferrari championship was removed. This year there is a huge amount of doubt making a move like this even more risky considering the backlash.
tommylommykins wrote:Out of interest, I wonder what the Whitmarsh plans private talk with Ferrari about team orders news item is all about?
My assumption is that propaganda-releases from the teams is 99% of what makes up the 'news' section of this site, that story included. So why is McLaren telling the world that Martin Whitmarsh is going to have a sit-down with Ferrari? What is the reason that McLaren have released it? What value does it serve to the McLaren company?
Can anyone shed any light on it?
Maybe Whitmarsh is getting tips on race manipulation?tommylommykins wrote:Out of interest, I wonder what the Whitmarsh plans private talk with Ferrari about team orders news item is all about?
My assumption is that propaganda-releases from the teams is 99% of what makes up the 'news' section of this site, that story included. So why is McLaren telling the world that Martin Whitmarsh is going to have a sit-down with Ferrari? What is the reason that McLaren have released it? What value does it serve to the McLaren company?
Can anyone shed any light on it?
I'll start praying or I'll have to pedal backwards!imightbewrong wrote:Okay, I understand your viewpoint, personally I don't agree just yet. I think they've had the pace the last few races. But I also think that McLaren and Red Bull will hit back. We'll see in a couple of races if you are right!andrew wrote:Of course they can believe - just not lie to the fans, the FIA and basically everyone. This was nothing to do with the "team game" but everything to do with a certain Spanish bak who sponsors the German GP, Ferrari and was instrumental in bringing a Spanish driver into Ferrari.
If they were closer to the top of the points tables and/or had been putting in top performances at all races (and had just suffered bad luck) then there would be some justification but they havn't. The fact car just hasn't been good enough since Bahrain makes me believe that this result was just a one off.
In 2002 virtually all doubt of a Schumacher/Ferrari championship was removed. This year there is a huge amount of doubt making a move like this even more risky considering the backlash.
Edit: Oh and regarding that lying, if they are gonna go for team orders they don't really have any other choice but lying publicly since they are breaking the rules, really. So they don't have much of an option on that, suck for the fans that don't realize it though.
