Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[ringo]

Well Hamilton IS destroying Button. How many times has Hamilton beaten Button in races compared to vice versa? Had his wheel not failed in spain he would have been still a bit ahead. Of course, Button had that failure in Monaco but he was running 11th, so the max he could have possibly got was 5th or 6th?

and what position achieved Hamilton in that race? but ifs and whens don´t count in life and more so in F1 ...
Fact is Button is is more often than not close enough to Hamilton come race end to
question Hamiltons allaround superiority.the difference is not tenths but hundredth per lap average.
Hamilton is overall the better qualifier in this car ,but no points are awarded for outright speed.

Do you watch the races or do you wait for the little post race charts ?
Button is not close to Hamilton at all, never was, never will.
He is being slowly stifled by Hamilton. Mclaren's pit wall is the only thing stopping him from looking like an average driver.
People said it was close when the gap was 3 points, it's now 17
I wonder if it will still be close when it's 50, because that is what's going to happen.

[marcush.]

Honestly speaking I don´t see it this way .I accept he is the quicker driver ,but I feel
Button is more efficient ,considering the spread of pure driving talent.
I´m aware that Hamilton COULD become a true GREAT,Button is lucky ,very lucky if he´s bagging a second WDC ... but look back in times of Senna /Prost at Macs.. they actually had a good time in their first year ...Senna was undoubtedly the quicker one as Prost was quicker than Lauda ...but still the quicker driver was NOT bagging the title in both cases ,coincidently at Mclaren..
Lauda won his Championship by half a point ,coming from the back of the grid unabale to qualify as good as Prost..but he used his routine..just as Button does.

[ringo]

Honestly speaking I don´t see it this way .I accept he is the quicker driver ,but I feel
Button is more efficient ,considering the spread of pure driving talent.
I´m aware that Hamilton COULD become a true GREAT,Button is lucky ,very lucky if he´s bagging a second WDC ... but look back in times of Senna /Prost at Macs.. they actually had a good time in their first year ...Senna was undoubtedly the quicker one as Prost was quicker than Lauda ...but still the quicker driver was NOT bagging the title in both cases ,coincidently at Mclaren..
Lauda won his Championship by half a point ,coming from the back of the grid unabale to qualify as good as Prost..but he used his routine..just as Button does.

Explain this statement in bullet points. In what ways is he more efficient?

[vall]

Mclaren's pit wall is the only thing stopping him from looking like an average driver.

I am asking you again, do you imply McL pit-wall is disadvantaging LH to make JB look good? If not, the they both should equally benefit from the good pit, and yet LH cannot make a gap to JB in the standings.

[ringo]

No they are not disadvantaging Hamilton, at the moment.
What they are doing is giving button the best strategies. We saw that in Hockenheim.
It's the pitwall's job so i can't blame them. It's also easier to give the trailing driver a better strategy because he has less competitors to cover.

Hamilton pitted early because he had to cover his pursuers. Unfortunately he did not get full use of his soft tyres.
Button on the other hand got maximum use of the tyres and came in at the right time.

This is not a Button vs Hamilton preference thing. I am just saying that Buton gets more out of the pit wall than Hamilton does. That's plain to see.

This does not make him any less of a driver, all this does is show how good Mclaren is at strategy, they want the best for both drivers and will try their best to bring them close together on points. Afterall they want the constructors badly this year.

How do you mean he can't make a gap in the standings?
Are both of them on equal points?
Button wont even be second in the championship by the season break, just watch.
Vettel and Webber are right on his tail.

[PlatinumZealot]

don't forget the drive the same car, which happen to be fully designed to suit LH's driving style.

Untruth!

The head engineer (forgot his name) said Button and Hamilton have very similar setups and the car is designed neutral. Just because Button's style is different doesn't mean he cannot drive the car as good as Hamilton. From what I see, Hamilton can drive Any car so all this failure to adapt is just a weakness that Button has to deal with.

[vall]

don't forget the drive the same car, which happen to be fully designed to suit LH's driving style.

Untruth!

The head engineer (forgot his name) said Button and Hamilton have very similar setups and the car is designed neutral. Just because Button's style is different doesn't mean he cannot drive the car as good as Hamilton. From what I see, Hamilton can drive Any car so all this failure to adapt is just a weakness that Button has to deal with.

Don't get fooled:

http://totalf1.com/full_story/view/3485 ... e__Button/

the same way Merc was designed for Button, Macca was designed fully for LH. I do not buy this neutral car design. Perhaps, we will never know but I would like to see how LH will fire in a Minardi and see if he can drive any car.

[Just_a_fan]

I do not buy this neutral car design. Perhaps, we will never know but I would like to see how LH will fire in a Minardi and see if he can drive any car.

Well, you wouldn't buy the 'neutral car design' because it would be contrary to your prejudices about Hamilton and McLaren.

As for the rest, Hamilton matched Button's time in a road car on Top Gear a couple of years ago. Button's time set in the dry, Hamilton's in the wet.

Quick guys are quick in anything.

[DaveKillens]

When was the last time you've seen Lewis take anybody out ?

A resentful Raikkonen, however, was less understanding. "There's not much I can say,” he said. “My race was ruined by Hamilton's mistake. Obviously, anyone can make mistakes, but it's one thing to make a mistake at 200 mph but another to hit a car stopped at a red light.

My pleasure to honor your request. You asked for it, you got it.

[Super racing]

Kimi is clearly parked in the fast lane, his fault all the way

[marcush.]

I do not buy this neutral car design. Perhaps, we will never know but I would like to see how LH will fire in a Minardi and see if he can drive any car.

Well, you wouldn't buy the 'neutral car design' because it would be contrary to your prejudices about Hamilton and McLaren.

As for the rest, Hamilton matched Button's time in a road car on Top Gear a couple of years ago. Button's time set in the dry, Hamilton's in the wet.

Quick guys are quick in anything.

unfortunatelly there was no icemachine available ...he would have matched his time going on ice as well ... because he has that will to win...

and for the fast lane parkingg of kimi...a red light is a red light ,no matter how talented you are ,you have to stop.
btw .there was a TINY bit of space to the left of Kimi ...obviously Lewis was doing anything but looking on the track ....talent evaporated for a split second,
I have to say. Stupid mistake not worthy of a big champ.But kimi had this sorts of moments as well ,ask Adrian Subtil...also a guy prone for having unexplainable moments..

[ringo]

When was the last time you've seen Lewis take anybody out ?

A resentful Raikkonen, however, was less understanding. "There's not much I can say,” he said. “My race was ruined by Hamilton's mistake. Obviously, anyone can make mistakes, but it's one thing to make a mistake at 200 mph but another to hit a car stopped at a red light.

My pleasure to honor your request. You asked for it, you got it.

They don't call him the terminator for nothing

[vall]

I do not buy this neutral car design. Perhaps, we will never know but I would like to see how LH will fire in a Minardi and see if he can drive any car.

Well, you wouldn't buy the 'neutral car design' because it would be contrary to your prejudices about Hamilton and McLaren.

Nope, it is logical thinking. It is only natural that the top teams design their cars according to their lead driver liking. LH was without question their lead driver at the time the car basic disign was done.

[Just_a_fan]

Nope, it is logical thinking. It is only natural that the top teams design their cars according to their lead driver liking. LH was without question their lead driver at the time the car basic disign was done.

This 'theory' has been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum. Teams do not design a car to suit a driver. They design a neutral car and then the driver and engineers tailor it to suit the individual drivers. Designing in one extreme way just opens the team up to problems should the base design be flawed because they have then 'backed themselves in to a corner' so to speak.

Team designers and engineers (and not just from McLaren!) have gone on record to this effect.

[marcush.]

Nope, it is logical thinking. It is only natural that the top teams design their cars according to their lead driver liking. LH was without question their lead driver at the time the car basic disign was done.

This 'theory' has been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum. Teams do not design a car to suit a driver. They design a neutral car and then the driver and engineers tailor it to suit the individual drivers. Designing in one extreme way just opens the team up to problems should the base design be flawed because they have then 'backed themselves in to a corner' so to speak.

Team designers and engineers (and not just from McLaren!) have gone on record to this effect.

even if you deny this ,we have proof that certain drivers like certain traits to their cars .
Benetton tailored their cars to the liking of MS to the extend that other drivers were unable to get anything special out of them -Lehto,Verstappen,patrese,Herbert
Alesi and Berger would agree to this.
You can make almost any car over or understeer that is not the point the point is is it quicker on the understeery setup (like mercedes/Brawn) or oversteery (Mclaren) .....if it just were a matter of setup..the cars would converge rapidly towards one laptime .