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Perhaps that's something to do with Hamilton having given a heartfelt apology to the public including stating something along the lines of "I've never felt this bad about anything and I am sorry", where Teflonso has kept schtum about it all, and when questioned, denying anything dodgy happened and threatening reporters that he won't give interviews in English in future if they dare ask him about certain issues?JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:I wont debate the ethics of the blackmail or lying further than this post, suffice to say Alonso carries his cross and Hamilton is still the golden boy.
What is Alonso's level? The ability he showed in 05 and 06 where he won the championships in an arguably inferior car (certainly throughout the second half of each season)? Or the ability he's shown this year, where he's been overdriving the car, making many mistakes, and throwing some kind of tantrum behind the wheel at more GP's than not?JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Kubica would, Kobayashi less so. None on alonso's level, But Ferrari could demand that money from any title sponsor regardless of the driver.
Okay my final words on the matter. Lying in british courts, presumably you mean perjury, is 7 years, but a quick google search shows that blackmail is 14 years. But you also have to consider that in order to commit blackmail it means Alonso witheld the information during the earlier investigations and the first FIA judgement - adding lying/perjury to his charge sheet as well. So we're at 21 years for Alonso.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Lying in british courts carries 7 year maximum and blackmail 10.
Both are unsavoury and both are not becoming of a great champion. Liar or blackmailer.....hardly good eh?
I wont debate the ethics of the blackmail or lying further than this post, suffice to say Alonso carries his cross and Hamilton is still the golden boy.
By Andrew Benson
at Spa-Francorchamps 2007
It should not be forgotten that Hamilton was involved in the chain of events that led to Alonso's row with Dennis by repeatedly refusing orders to let his team-mate pass at the start of the final part of qualifying.
That might sound trivial, but it meant Hamilton had double-crossed Alonso by ensuring the Spaniard would have more fuel than him in the final shoot-out for pole at a track where grid position is vital because overtaking is so difficult.
With the title at stake, such a tactic is probably fair enough.
But if it was then so was Alonso's subsequent decision to seek revenge by staying in the pits just long enough to deny Hamilton a chance of a final lap, after which Alonso took pole himself.
It was not nice - of either of them - but then great racing drivers rarely are.
Most would regard this as an internal matter, what Dennis describes as "putting pressure on the system to try to find a competitive advantage". But then the race stewards got involved and penalised Alonso five grid places.
He will have felt that was unfair because he didn't see why it was any of their business. However, once they got involved, he would have wondered why he was singled out.
He had a row with Dennis that night, and another - the fateful one - when he arrived at the track the following morning.
You could say it was a failure of Dennis's management to allow Alonso to storm off in the wake of his threat.
You could equally say Dennis should have waited before telephoning FIA president Max Mosley to inform him of Alonso's threat, an action which triggered last week's punishment.
Whatever, Alonso immediately regretted his behaviour and apologised.
As Dennis said, who has not in the heat of the moment in an argument with his wife said something they regret?
That might seem an odd analogy to draw, but this is not a normal employer-employee relationship. This is one of the greatest racing drivers in history trying everything he can to maximise his position.
These people take the idea of competitiveness to extremes most of us can barely imagine. Alonso is not the first to do it and will certainly not be the last.
"When Fernando's manager came back, explained that Fernando had lost his temper, I accepted that," said Dennis, who has worked with more than his fair share of great drivers. "I also accepted Fernando's apology after the race.
"Why wasn't I more aggressive? My job is to win the world championship, not to be loved and hugged. If I have difficult relationships with people, so be it.
"You don't take your gun out every few seconds and shoot them. We're here to win races, not have a bloody love-in."
Myurrmyurr wrote:What is Alonso's level? The ability he showed in 05 and 06 where he won the championships in an arguably inferior car (certainly throughout the second half of each season)? Or the ability he's shown this year, where he's been overdriving the car, making many mistakes, and throwing some kind of tantrum behind the wheel at more GP's than not?JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Kubica would, Kobayashi less so. None on alonso's level, But Ferrari could demand that money from any title sponsor regardless of the driver.
I can add another example of hard vs no punishment today:mep wrote:Alonso always gets away to easily.Did people villify Schumacher as they do Alonso?
Look MS made a team order switch with no rule prohibiting it and in a fight for championship.
Punishment 1Million dollar and everybody calling him big cheat.
MS mad a super overtaking move against Alonso in Monaco. The rule was unclear and mistakes where made by FIA/race control.
Punishment: All points taken away and everybody calling him big cheat.
MS stops in Monaco to avoid crashing into the barriers. There is no evidence or prove that it was done on purpose. There is no rule covering such a incident and deleting his fastest lap would be enough to give the advantage back to the other drivers.
Punishment: All lap times deleted -starting at the back of the field on a track like Monaco and really every idiot calls him biggest cheat ever.
MS crashes into JV to protect his CS on the last race of the season like it has been done several times before by other people without any trouble.
Punisment: All points of the year taken away and called cheat.
Alonso makes team order switch with a clear rule not allowing it. Furthermore he is not really fighting for championship.
Punishment: no punishment for Alonso, team pays 100.000 dollar but probably gets the money back with got CS position in the end of the year.
Alonso blackmailed his team McLaren Mercedes. Proved by the quotes of Ron Denis. This is not just a race incident but also a criminal act in civil live.
Punishment: none for Alonso.
Alonso asks his team-mate Pique to crash his car on purpose. Its quite possible that he blackmailed his team again with his contract and the Sponsors.
Punishment: no punishment for Alonso (he even can keep his points), Piques career is over, Briatore gets livelong ban,