Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[donskar]

Is Hamilton desperate? Isn't he leading the WDC? Time to give this thread a graceful death?

[Super racing]

hitting another driver enough to cause a puncture is just as bad and full of sarcasm..
Hamilton is not shy to MAKE contact even before the first corner

Vettel's silverstone puncture was in no way Hamilton's fault, Vettle drove accross Hamilton's front but did not completely clear it and ran over his front wing. Their coming together in Valencia was totally Vettle's fault as well, we have seen since Turkey that Vettle has a nasty habit of moving over onto other drivers and causing collisions, first with his own teammate and then also causing the the puncture in Silverstone.

[Giblet]

Is Hamilton desperate? Isn't he leading the WDC? Time to give this thread a graceful death?

Yeah right, logic has come and gone on this site.

The most popular threads are the most venomous and opinionated.

[Super racing]

Complete and utter domination... again, please anyone tell me the last time a WDC was so completely destroyed?

[ringo]

How dare you! He's only 0.083 off in qualy pace! Mclaren sabotaged his car, they stuffed a bung in the air intake, like they did monaco!
Button would have been right beside Lewis

[marcush.]

How dare you! He's only 0.083 off in qualy pace! Mclaren sabotaged his car, they stuffed a bung in the air intake, like they did monaco!
Button would have been right beside Lewis

17hundreds of a second separated him from Q3 ...yes he was blown away...

[PlatinumZealot]

More like 0.4 seconds off from Hamilton! Gone with the wind!

I like how Hamilton and Alonso are destroying these other so called "elite drivers" in qualifying. They are making Massa and Button look like rookies 0.2 seconds, 0.4 seconds, 0.5 seconds, 1 second. They are truly another level.

[marcush.]

please don´t talk down drivers who actually made it into F1 and came close or won a WDC.
we are not even close to appreciating or being able to figure what they are capable of .
I´m ok when you state how impressed you are by the performance of Hamilton or Vettel or
alonso ,i got no issue with that but to state Button ,Massa or Schumacher are destroyed ,not worth whatever is just impossible. these are fine VERY talented drivers who deserve respect .
my opinion.

[vall]

please don´t talk down drivers who actually made it into F1 and came close or won a WDC.
we are not even close to appreciating or being able to figure what they are capable of .
I´m ok when you state how impressed you are by the performance of Hamilton or Vettel or
alonso ,i got no issue with that but to state Button ,Massa or Schumacher are destroyed ,not worth whatever is just impossible. these are fine VERY talented drivers who deserve respect .
my opinion.

exactly! In any field there will people that are going better than others, for whatever reason. This does not mean all the rest are destroyed or ridiculous!

[PlatinumZealot]

OK.. They were beaten convincingly then. They are still an another level!
I'm sure Massa is thinking "How the hell did Hamilton beat this guy?"

and Button:

[marcush.]

I´m not aware of your driving skills or if you have worked with average ,decent or really quick drivers ...I even don´t know if you care .But 4 tenths is in a highly complex environment as F1 something that is not easily to be accounted solely to driver performance.In the end you can think of whatever you want ..but then race engineering and development is nonsense ..just hire Hamilton OR Alonso the rest will sort itself out...BUT wait.. it is Vettel who beat Webber by 4 tenth ,the same car the same webber who convincingly outperformed Vettel in Montecarlo ,a track seemingly similar to Hungary ....so what do we learn ? .. it is not easy to decifer why driver A and driver B are not posting exactly the same times in a seemingly identical car...
engineering has something to do with it.

[ringo]

I would say the track plays a bigger role in the performance gaps.
More turns and braking points means the lap time is more influenced by driver skill.
This is why Vettel was so far ahead. Also drivers make mistakes as well.

Button is a consistent 4 tenths slower than Hamilton, it is clear as day. The gap will be huger in Singapore and any other track that is highly technical.

0.083s Huge overstatement.
Button is fast alright, but he aint that fast. Right now Heiki is equally as fast as truli and maybe a hundreth quicker. Hamilton had Heiki by 2 tenths. Truli is one of the fastest on the grid, qualy pace wise.
That shows you where Hamilton is pace wise; who is faster than Alonso, who is kicking Massa's ass, who kicked kimi's ass in 2008. Button can't jump these 3 guys to be on Lewis' level.

[ringo]

Is Hamilton desperate? Isn't he leading the WDC? Time to give this thread a graceful death?

NO!, this is the thread that never ends!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0[/youtube]

[ringo]

race hamilton - button

bahrain______-0.461
australia______ +.653
malaysia_____+0.839
china________+0.055
spain________-0.162
monaco_______-0.205
turkey_______-0.348
canada_______-0.415
europe_______-0.241
britian______-0.581
germany___+0.139
hungary______-0.415


I wont even average them, since this shows what's going on case by case.
figures in bold are jenson's triumphs, all influenced by Hamilton messing up. In these cases Hamilton is faster in q2, except Australia. Just to show his pace was there and not outdone by his teammate by all out pace.

Germany q2 -0.228, china q2 -0.515,

Button takes credit for Australia; Malaysia being a freak session with both spinning off. Australia, where Hamilton's tyre pressures were wrong.

No need for averages, just close your eyes and randomly pick one and chances are your getting Hamilton laying the smack down.

[marcush.]

if it were that easy ..there are surely no linearities in this .all factors contribute and we will never know for sure just why or why not rosberg has the uper hand over schumacher this year ,why it swings back and forth with vettel and webber ,why Kova is a match for trulli,why glock can burnup grassi ,or why Hamilton is 0.4 tenth quicker than button.
If it was pure talent ...as the single contributor for the time gaps ...life would be easy ...kick out the slower guys and try the next hero....unfortunatelly life is not that easy .and out and out pace is only one factor in racecraft.An important one ,yes but not the only one.