I'm supporting not-Alonso

[myurr]

So what is written on a sheet dictates that a driver wants to be elsewhere?
Please....

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

So you can only have a valid opinion of someone if you know them intimately? What does it say about Alonso if those that worked closely with him are telling their new boss how bad he was? It is disingenuous to say that only people have worked directly with Alonso can form a valid opinion of him - surely those who have spoken to many people who have worked with Alonso can also form a valid opinion of him.

Like it or not there is more than enough evidence of a consistent opinion on Alonso being seen throughout the paddock, and for all his talents as a driver he has a reputation for being petulant, arrogant, divisive and difficult to work with.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

You keep believing Alonso is Satan Myurr.

Ferrari would not have signed him up if he was the divisive figure you would have as all believe. Or does the paddock not speak amongst themselves?

You are putting faith in a guys words who has never worked with Alonso. Seriously?
I rest my case!

[myurr]

You keep believing Alonso is Satan Myurr.

That's a gross misrepresentation don't you think?

Ferrari would not have signed him up if he was the divisive figure you would have as all believe. Or does the paddock not speak amongst themselves?

And that's it - Alonso is innocent of all things because Ferrari signed him up?[/quote]

You are putting faith in a guys words who has never worked with Alonso. Seriously?
I rest my case!

You are putting your faith in a decision by a team that was desperate to find their next Schumacher like team leader and who had yet to work with Alonso. Seriously?

So, and I'm really interested to know this, why are there so many stories surrounding Alonso regarding the character traits we have pointed out on this board? Are they all made up? Is there no factual basis for any of them?

[f1italia]

@siskue2005
He still split them in Qualy as well - so maybe a little bit of skill involved as well ???? - No?

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/835/6770/

It was Vettel's fault, but it is not achieved by Alonso ....so its not impressive as you said it. He was AS ALWAYS LUCKY (like in 2005/2006)
And in todays F1 you can hold someone who is 1 sec faster than you even in tracks like Spa/Monza, let alone in Hungary its easy peessy!
Even Rubens with 4 sec faster car took 5 laps to overtake Schumy with worn out tyres and even that was dangerous and difficult!

If you think luck could get you 2 WDC's and 20-something GP victories then is your luck so horrible you haven't even won a single GP,or do you think some tiny amount of skill must need to be involved. If Alonso is all luck than surely one of his teammates must've outscored him some season. I can't believe anyone could call Alonso lucky after this season.He's had more bad luck than anyone on the grid.

Why do you get melodramatic and defensive about what i mentioned about LUCK!
Where did I say that LUCK is the ONLY thing which allowed him to win??
Those who have watched 2005-06 season would know he got few lucky wins due to misfortunes of other drivers (and also at Bahrain 2010 / Hockenhiem 2010)

Alonso's lucky?
Siskue, if you think Alonso is all about luck, then evidently further constuctive dialogue will not be possible.
And by default or not, Alonso beat a faster Red Bull. The same way a driver mistake(which Vettels incident very clearly was) costs you victory, Alonso's pace allowed him 2nd position. Where was Massa after Vettels drive through?
NOT MASSA, but Alonso. NOT LUCK, He was faster than his team mate.

Facts.

Who gives a rat's ass about Massa??
Alonso surely lucked into 2nd place yesterday...ONLY coz others got penalty and even if it was Vettel's fault, its not Alonso's talent which made Vettel do the mistake
Its not as if Alonso pressured him to do this
Even if he was faster than him teammate, what has that got to do with your previous statement of "Impressive driving from ALonso to Split the RBRs"

where frankly Alonso just drove there at his own pace, and he let Webber beat him(who was behind Alonso and Alonso overtook him at the start because of clean line he had) ..he couldnt even challenge Weber's laptimes ...all he had to do was stay within 15 sec of Webber....which he failed to do and lost that place to Weber and after that he lucked into second place with Vettel's penalty

and Your statement "Impressive driving from Alonso to Split the RBRs" holds no truth at all

Alonso is a cry baby. If you want to win a race you need to pass the leader. Why don't we just let the fastest man on the track win then.

[aral]

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

Are you seriously saying that a person with years of experience in the sport, cannot know a driver just because he didnt work with Alonso? Then why did Ferrari sign him? Nobody there had worked with him, so where did they get their opinions from? Please......!

[mcdenife]

So what is written on a sheet dictates that a driver wants to be elsewhere?
Please....

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

I dont get your point. If you look carefully you will see I said "the impression I got..." and not "the impression Boullier got..". Certainly there were already rumours of his move to Ferrari in 08 and confirmed in 09. Regarless, the point was about management failings being reason behind the lack of results. If he is not qualified or able to pass judgement on that then he has no business in management let alone one as a team boss.

[f1italia]

Bring Kimi back dump Alonso he is not Ferrari material.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

Are you seriously saying that a person with years of experience in the sport, cannot know a driver just because he didnt work with Alonso? Then why did Ferrari sign him? Nobody there had worked with him, so where did they get their opinions from? Please......!

Years of experience? 2010 is Boullier's first year in the Sport of F1!

[vall]

So what is written on a sheet dictates that a driver wants to be elsewhere?
Please....

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

I dont get your point. If you look carefully you will see I said "the impression I got..." and not "the impression Boullier got..". Certainly there were already rumours of his move to Ferrari in 08 and confirmed in 09. Regarless, the point was about management failings being reason behind the lack of results. If he is not qualified or able to pass judgement on that then he has no business in management let alone one as a team boss.

I don't get his point really. Beneton/Renault under Briatore was the only non-Williams,McLaren,Ferrari WDC/WCC winning team. In 2007 Renault were in troubles after Michelin left, then in 2008 they started going up again and in the 2009 testing they looked good. But the FIA allowed the DDD and Renault went back. If you take the DDD gang away, Renault were not in that bad shape for 2009.

[andrew]

You keep believing Alonso is Satan Myurr.

That's an insult to Satan......

[gridwalker]

Yeah, Satan wouldn't need to b!tch over the team radio to get somebody out of his way

[siskue2005]

Yeah, Satan wouldn't need to b!tch over the team radio to get somebody out of his way

lol

[aral]

He didnt work with Alonso, finished.

Are you seriously saying that a person with years of experience in the sport, cannot know a driver just because he didnt work with Alonso? Then why did Ferrari sign him? Nobody there had worked with him, so where did they get their opinions from? Please......!

Years of experience? 2010 is Boullier's first year in the Sport of F1!

I said "in the sport" not in F1.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I said "in the sport" not in F1.

What good is that?
F1 may as well be rocket racing so different is it to most open wheel sport other than the American indycars.
He is a noob, and with comments like that about the previous management who won 2 championships, he is also quite disrespectful.
Dont take my word for it, see in 4 years time what this Boullier fellow has won with Renault. Then compare it to the "arrogant and unworkmanlike" journeyman he has replaced.

The difference my friend, will be as stark as black is to white. Which begs the question....what does that make Boullier?

[myurr]

I said "in the sport" not in F1.

What good is that?
F1 may as well be rocket racing so different is it to most open wheel sport other than the American indycars.
He is a noob, and with comments like that about the previous management who won 2 championships, he is also quite disrespectful.
Dont take my word for it, see in 4 years time what this Boullier fellow has won with Renault. Then compare it to the "arrogant and unworkmanlike" journeyman he has replaced.

The difference my friend, will be as stark as black is to white. Which begs the question....what does that make Boullier?

How come you can judge Boullier and know him and what he will achieve without having met him or worked with him?