JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Hypocritical is criticsing a succesful team, which alonso was part of, then putting forward your own "successes" of 5th in the constructors championship.
I get it Myurr, I really do. You dislike Alonso. Please dont hide behind the smoke and mirrors of what some guy says about the previous regime. I have proven to you that this guy has
a)never worked first hand with Alonso
b)new to F1 this year
c)shown total lack of respect to his (more succesful) predecessors.
The quotes are all there and its amusing he actually says "It's difficult to say, because I don't want to criticise anybody" then goes ahead and says it anyway.
All Im saying in respect to Boullier, which you have yet to acknowledge or accept, is this: Surely only once you have exceeded or perhaps matched the previous incumbents record, can you voice a qualified opinion openly deriding them.
Alonso as a double world champion and having twice beaten a Ferrari powered Schumacher(most succesful driver ever), has gravity to go with his opinion. Wether you, I, or the guy down the road likes that or not.
Yes I dislike Alonso deeply as a sportsman, so naturally I have put forward correlative evidence in this thread. You must also admit that you are defending Alonso regardless and looking to find any excuse to disregard any and all evidence of his misdemeanours and character flaws.
So far you have used four main methods for doing this: 1) the British press is incredibly biased and has skewed everyones opinions, 2) that most of those commenting on him haven't worked with him personally, be it fan or professional, so can't possibly know him, 3) whenever you can't dismiss evidence of his character you try to generalise and say all drivers are as bad, and 4) Ferrari signed him so he can't be all that bad. Forgive me if I've forgotten any of your defences.
In response I would say this:
1) I agree that the British press can be really quite biased, just like every other nations press, but a lot of the fans on this board are able to see through that and decide for themselves. Personally I don't read the newspapers and the only press coverage of F1 I really pay any attention to comes from the BBC, Autosport and James Allen. I don't think I'm being at all biased against Alonso out of purely nationalistic reasons or because I've been 'brainwashed by the media'. It is entirely because of first and second hand evidence that he is a tough competitor but a horrible sportsman. That is not something I can respect.
2) Taking this to the extreme, neither of us have worked with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. and yet we know them to be bad people. We only have second hand or even third hand evidence of what they were like, presumably biased media reporting, evidence gathered by those who did not work with them, etc. And yet we quite rightly judge them.
Let me be clear that I do not hold Alonso as being anywhere near that category of person, I am merely using it as an example to show that it is perfectly valid to judge people based on second hand evidence.
3) This one comes down to your purely subjective opinion. For example you think that Lewis Hamilton lying to the stewards and then publicly apologising is as bad as Alonso blackmailing McLaren. Most people on here recognise a massive difference between the two.
4) In my view Ferrari know what Alonso is like but are prepared to work with him because they seem him as a driver they can build the team around like they did with Schumacher, are used to working with controversial sportsmen from those days, and have a win at all costs attitude. Time will tell whether it is a match made in heaven (they will, after all, pamper Alonso in the way he expects) or whether he will end up being too divisive and tears the team apart.
