I'm supporting not-Alonso

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andrew wrote:Webber's other half acts as his manager now I think.
Just read a report on another site where Briatore is talking up Webbers title chances. The report reffers to Webber as "one of his drivers". I forgot that Briatore was still allowed to manage drivers after MrM messed things up and Briatore skipped out of jail. #-o

Guess Briatore still manages Webber, and Webber's missus was just a temp.

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siskue2005 wrote:
zeph wrote:
autogyro wrote:
Find out who runs Webbers affairs and you will find the reason why.
Although I am normally quick to adopt any conspiracy theory as my own, I can not see what Webber has to gain by saying that Alonso deserved the win. Sometimes people just have opinions of their own, you know. Even if they are controlled by the evil puppetmaster Flavio.
just look at all the quites from weber in the previous years
He always has licked Alonso's as.. all the time
It depends how you look at it. There's a difference between licking someone's butt and respecting someone for who he is.

Funny to see how much people jump on a negative Alonso thread like flies on a pile of ---. I'll even spare my time trying to explain why the switch was the right and most logic thing to do for any team or drivers in the same situation. Peace.
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After my repeated shouting of the words "pantomime villain" in this thread, suddenly I notice that James Allen is using those exact words to describe Alonso : http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/w ... ar-so-far/

Cummon James, I know you're reading ... show yourself, you plagiarising hack :lol:
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gridwalker wrote:After my repeated shouting of the words "pantomime villain" in this thread, suddenly I notice that James Allen is using those exact words to describe Alonso : http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/w ... ar-so-far/

Cummon James, I know you're reading ... show yourself, you plagiarising hack :lol:
Hahaha not me GW, hes only miffed because Briatorre did not invite him on his yacht in Monaco, hahaha.

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Welcome Mr JA, I hope you're being entertained.

Hey GW, this can be fun, plant more suggestions inhis head. You know, weird stuff that is hard to dismiss.

here's one.. "Even though he imagined so, Max Mosley was not the moral compass of Formula One."

Or even better, use quote from his former namesake. There was another James Allen, who was considered the father of inspirational writing.
Man is buffeted by circumstances so long as he believes himself to be the creature of outside conditions. But when he realizes that he is a creative power, and that he may command the hidden soil and seeds of his being out of which circumstances grow, he then becomes the rightful master of himself.
Until thought is linked with purpose there is no intelligent accomplishment.
I have a close relative who was involved in federal politics, to the extent they were regularly sought out by the press for comments. Everyone close to this action were warned never to talk to the press because they misquoted and distorted almost everything. I witnessed a few interviews, and when I read the reporter's article in the newspaper, it was completely unrelated to what was discussed. Trust me, the press print what they want, and if it conflicts with reality, tough, because creating sensalism and controversy sells papers.

So what's really going on in here? I see mainly Alonso or Hamilton fans going at each other, that's what I see. The Brit press marinate their Hamilton fans in a never-ending stream of nationalism and self-righteous indignation over the actions of their perceived opponent, and guess what, the Spanish press do the same for their viewpoint.

I'm very sure that more antagonism exists between the fans than the individual drivers.

Personally, I have no problem with Alonso. He's very human, and displays a lot of his personality to the public. There are flaws, such as his volatile temper, but he controls it. If I a Spaniard, I'd probably worship the ground he stood on, he's that good as a driver.

As far as his perceived flaws, please remember that they are exaggerated by the press, and perpetuated long after it has ceased to be an issue between the drivers.
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DaveKillens

A very balanced, logical and entertaining read.
Of course you have to look at media influence in this matter, and as I have posted before, when in Spain the Spanish have a polarised opinion to Brits.

Having to endure chants of "rule brittania" on Spanish soil by certain F1 fans of british descent simply because Alonso is Spanish and they have it in for anything Spanish on a Sunday afternoon between 1 and 3.

I like Hamilton and I like Alonso, to say one is better than the other is a total waste of time. Both have beaten the other.

My issue is thread like this give rise to a specific kind of post, berating Alonso or bigging up Hamilton. There is another of Hamiltons too, where some berate him and others glorify him.

In all people in this country(UK) would imagine Alonso to be well down on Hamilton this year given the praise Hamilton has recieved.
The totals however would tell a different story

Hamilton on 157 and Alonso on 141.
And I wouldnt say that the Ferrari has been the better car either.

To conclude then, we must respect both guys who have skills beyond that of most.
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: To conclude then, we must respect both guys who have skills beyond that of most.
JET, why do you have to be so reasonable and spoil the fun for everybody? :wink:

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gridwalker wrote:After my repeated shouting of the words "pantomime villain" in this thread, suddenly I notice that James Allen is using those exact words to describe Alonso : http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/w ... ar-so-far/

Cummon James, I know you're reading ... show yourself, you plagiarising hack :lol:
I dubbed him "The Prat" right at the beginning of his time on ITV. The guy's a numpty of the highest order.

He named his sons "Enzo" and "Emerson" for pity's sake. "Enzo Allen". Like that won't get him beaten senseless in the playground every day...
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Just_a_fan wrote:
gridwalker wrote:After my repeated shouting of the words "pantomime villain" in this thread, suddenly I notice that James Allen is using those exact words to describe Alonso : http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/w ... ar-so-far/

Cummon James, I know you're reading ... show yourself, you plagiarising hack :lol:
I dubbed him "The Prat" right at the beginning of his time on ITV. The guy's a numpty of the highest order.

He named his sons "Enzo" and "Emerson" for pity's sake. "Enzo Allen". Like that won't get him beaten senseless in the playground every day...
+1.

The guy just usually said what was popular at the time and contributed nothing to ITVs coverage. The way he used to copy Murray Walker by shouting "GO" when the lights went green really annoyed the hell out of me! Thankgoodness for Radio 5 Live! :lol:

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Shouting what seems popular at the time? Why does that remind me of Eddie Jordan ;)
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Wait till Alonso gets his 3rd title, British Ferrari fans will start hailing him as the messiah, not pariah as has so far been the case!
Maybe it wont happen, but I sense somthing stirring this year with Alonso. His gaining of momentum will not go unnoticed by either Red Bull or McLaren, however much the guy is despised on these pages, he is the one they fear most. And for that, I say he deserves a modicum of respect.

Gridwalker has it spot on.
More could have been done.
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Alonso deserves respect? Only if he ever repays the favours done by Massa. I sincerely doubt the guy has the gumption to do that though. He has no morals at all, which is hardly surprising. Look at what he associates with.

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andrew wrote:Alonso deserves respect? Only if he ever repays the favours done by Massa. I sincerely doubt the guy has the gumption to do that though. He has no morals at all, which is hardly surprising. Look at what he associates with.
"Favours" Andrew?

You do not have a leg to stand on when you pin up Schumacher as your idol. His team mates where asked to bend over unlubricated and receive the full force of whatever was deemed necessary. Irvine Barrichello Massa.

Why hold that against Alonso, but not Schumacher? By your judgement of Alonso, Schumacher is 3 times as odiuos......

Just thought I would remind you.
More could have been done.
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At least Schumacher repaid the favours done by Barrichello (though Barrichello seems to forget this fact - probably too busy going for the world record in saying "blah blah blah" in one breath). Can't see Alonso ever doing that. Having said that I don't ever recal Schumacher begging his team to give him a win like Alonso did in Germany. Besides, the only team mate that could regularly challenge Schumacher was Massa. I don't recall Massa looking as pissed as he did after Germany when he partered Schumacher.

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True Alonso will never return any favours. He's not as magnanimous as Shumacher, and that's saying something.
I want to see him get 3 titles though, but it should be when both he and Hamilton have 2. That would be the battle of the decade.
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