F1 Quiz Chain

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3 August 1959. Avus, Berlin.

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Correct.

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AVUS was so bloody fast that they feared the tyres would disintegrate. At this time it was the fastest race track in the world, faster than Indianapolis and Monza.
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Thanks WB, great pics, now that was a track for drivers with some cojones, eh Ciro?

Along with the Longford track in Tasmania and Targa Florio, that's a race I would like to see with today's drivers.
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xpensive wrote:Along with the Longford track in Tasmania and Targa Florio, that's a race I would like to see with today's drivers.
You do?
You mean on modern cars?
As there's not much challenge driving a car on straight these days.
Wall of death might be hard but not so much IMO.

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I would indeed, facing a what, 30 degrees banking at 320+ km/h while keeping your right foot down, whohoo!
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xpensive wrote:I would indeed, facing a what, 30 degrees banking at 320+ km/h while keeping your right foot down, whohoo!
What is radius of Wall of death?
Would be interesting to calculate how fast they can go there.

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A guesstimate would be 200 meters, why 320 km/h, 90 m/s, would mean a lateral accelleration of 4g (a = v^2/r).
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xpensive wrote:A guesstimate would be 200 meters, why 320 km/h, 90 m/s, would mean a lateral accelleration of 4g (a = v^2/r).
Banking would leave only roughly 3,5 out of it.

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Just to be engineerishly picky timbo, 4g lateral and 1g vertical would mean a resulting (4^2 + 1^2)^0.5 meaning 4.1g.

But whatever, if you plan to spend more than a split second under such loads, you better have your underwear in order.

Who are we waiting for on the quiz anyway?
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Gary from oz methinks..

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xpensive wrote:Just to be engineerishly picky timbo, 4g lateral and 1g vertical would mean a resulting (4^2 + 1^2)^0.5 meaning 4.1g.
If you're really picky you have to define what coordinate system are you sticking with. If you're using car as reference point than vertical g's (better say, normal) would be a bit higher than 1 g :wink: (1.155 if I'm not delusional).

As to for whom I waiting, I guess that would be Gary. :roll:

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Today the FiA limits race track banking to 10% or 5.71° except for speedways.

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The AVUS Nordschleife itself was 254 m long and 9 m wide and was banked in an angle of 1:11.6. This is an angle of 43° or 96% incline.

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As you can see with Google Earth the AVUS Nordschleife had a variable radius of approximately 75 m. During practice for the German GP 1936 Bernd Rosemeyer flew to an unofficial record with a 4:04.2 lap which meant an amazing speed of 284.31km/h. On the straights the cars could reach 380 km/h while the North curve could be taken with 180 km/h.

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It wasn't recommended to test the virtual armco.
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Interestig info WB - thanks
that would mean the old Monza track ranks with Daytona at ~30°

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Great background material as usual WB, if you would try 180 km/h with a radius of 75 meters, you end up with 3.5g for almost 5 seconds, which I guess would be a no-no in these days, regardless how you compute it, good lord.
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Xcuse me gents, but these things takes me off, remember that CART race at Texas International which was cancelled due to drivers complaining of lack of vision thru the reportedly 30 degrees bankings, anyone with nubmers on that one?
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