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For the most part of my engineering life, dealing with rotating machinery of various kinds, I've beem preoccupied with cost per kilogram of the the finished product. Within process industry, 15-20 EUR/kg has been the norm.
I would be xtremely pleased to learn standards and xperiences from other areas?
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A GP7000 fan turbine engine for an A380 costs €10m and weights in at 6078 kg. 1,645 €/kg Some serious value creation.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
xpensive wrote:There you go WB, my most recent assignment witin the Norwegian offshore industry starts talking at 2 kEUR/kg.
Drilling and particularly off shore is a serious cost generator. I knew some guys from university who went straight into drilling metrology with Schlumberger. They were making tons of money but they had to be prepared to work 50h shifts without sleep when the drill came up and the equipment went down the hole. It cost several millions per day even in the seventies to run a drilling rig and the darned thing was doing nothing while they were having their little bangs to measure the geological structures. They were burned out after three years but could pull out of it with a million DM in an offshore bank.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
But it's still an equlizer for a neanderthel-engineer such as me, if a Beemer out of bavaria is 20 EUR per kg it is,
if a papermachine out of Heidenheim is 15 it is.
But when I come across businesses dealing with 2k per kg, xcuse me , I stand in awe.
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F35 fighter airplane
~ 11048€/kg (based on WiKi figures)
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That'l be beaten by a B2, a Saturn or the cost of the original Manhattan project.
B2 cost $2.02 bil at 72,575 kg 27.8 k$/kg= 21.3 k€/kg
Manhattan cost $20 bil , fat man and little boy were 201 kg = 99.5 $mil/kg = 76.2 mil €/kg
Saturn V was $3.35 bil a pop at today's cost, weight 3mil kg = 1.12 k$/kg = 858 €/kg
The moon rocket was a bargain compared to some military hardware. I must say I'm surprised by the numbers. I can see hoe some contractors of Manhattan have "Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb".
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Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
WhiteBlue wrote:That'l be beaten by a B2, a Saturn or the cost of the original Manhattan project.
B2 cost $2.02 bil at 72,575 kg 27.8 k$/kg= 21.3 k€/kg
Manhattan cost $20 bil , fat man and little boy were 201 kg = 99.5 $mil/kg = 76.2 mil €/kg
Saturn V was $3.35 bil a pop at today's cost, weight 3mil kg = 1.12 k$/kg = 858 €/kg
The moon rocket was a bargain compared to some military hardware. I must say I'm surprised by the numbers. I can see hoe some contractors of Manhattan have "Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb".
That is the weight of the moon rocket with the fuel which made up of more than 90% of the weight.
WhiteBlue wrote:That'l be beaten by a B2, a Saturn or the cost of the original Manhattan project.
B2 cost $2.02 bil at 72,575 kg 27.8 k$/kg= 21.3 k€/kg
Manhattan cost $20 bil , fat man and little boy were 201 kg = 99.5 $mil/kg = 76.2 mil €/kg
Saturn V was $3.35 bil a pop at today's cost, weight 3mil kg = 1.12 k$/kg = 858 €/kg
The moon rocket was a bargain compared to some military hardware. I must say I'm surprised by the numbers. I can see hoe some contractors of Manhattan have "Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb".
That is the weight of the moon rocket with the fuel which made up of more than 90% of the weight.
So what would be the right figure in your view?
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)