Cost per kilogram of anything.

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The Hibernia oil platform and base weighs 637,000,000kg at a cost of $14.2 billion, or $23.08 per kg.
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You knew I had to write this! Well, I fall for it, Giblet.

10 mg of positrons cost 250'000.000 U$.

Of course, some pedantic members will ask for a source. There you go, "sourcerers" and "sourceresess": http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/an ... eship.html

So, antimatter is the most expensive substance you can "buy" on this Earth, at 250.000.000.000.000 dollars per kg.

Antimatter powered engine: this is what Ferrari will use in 2050, after some cost cutting by FIA in those new engines. Notice the lack of KERS: they were introduced in 2051, altough they proved to be useless pieces of junk.
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So, the clear cut conclusion is this: in the event you encounter a flying saucer, given the fact that antimatter is the only feasible mean of propulsion for interstellar craft, do not, I repeat, DO NOT run away.

My advice for all of you: tell any alien you can encounter (I bet there are some in this forum, or so it seems to me) that you can take care of his UFO while he tours the Earth. Then, when he comes back, ask for some spare change. If the guy is slightly generous, you might buy an oil platform and have enough pocket money left for a couple of islands in the Bahamas AND the Ferrari and McLaren's factories.

This also explains why all aliens are so thin: to move one kilo around the galaxy cost an eye and a kidney (or a tentacle).
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So there is something as expensive per ml as HP printer ink after all :)
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@ gib;

- I can buy high quality St52 carbon-steel for 0.5 EUR per kg.

- 316 stainless will set me back some 3.0 EUR/kg.

- A roller bearing from FAG in Schweinfurt is in the shop for 20 EUR per kg.

- I can buy an industrial 50 kNm gearbox at 30 EUR per kg.

- A lap-top is on my desk for less than 200 EUR per kg.

- An ink-cartrige for my Lexmark at home is 30 EUR at 25 grams, 1200 EUR per kg!

But the price of gold has gone from 7 to 33 kEUR per kg over the past ten years, even Maddoff couldn't beat that?
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Adhesive for bonding dental resins on metal alloys:

http://www.gceurope.com/products/detail.php?id=69

It comes at around 130 GBP per 5ml. That means roughly 30000 EUR per litre!

A dental implant made of Ti alloy (TiAl6V4) weighs a few grams and will cost you a couple of hundred pounds to buy if you're a dentist. If you're the patient they start from around 900 GBP, without the restoration on top of it. If you go to Hungary they're much cheaper though!
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how about the pharma market ? my wife takes a medication at €20K /K and that's nothing avante garde which is where the big money is made
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WhiteBlue wrote: That'l be beaten by a B2, a Saturn or the cost of the original Manhattan project.

Saturn V was $3.35 bil a pop at today's cost, weight 3mil kg = 1.12 k$/kg = 858 €/kg
Well according to your own calculations, it would not be beaten by a Saturn.
Allways hasty to correct other posters?

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Mastercard

6 g / "priceless"

:lol: :lol:
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Prepacked spuds in Asda work out at 54.8p per 1kg at the moment.

Bringing this back to an F1 perspective,

In 2009, Kimi Raikkonen was paid $45m. His weight is about 70kg. This is a cost of $642,857.14 per kg!

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747heavy wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote: That'l be beaten by a B2, a Saturn or the cost of the original Manhattan project.

Saturn V was $3.35 bil a pop at today's cost, weight 3mil kg = 1.12 k$/kg = 858 €/kg
Well according to your own calculations, it would not be beaten by a Saturn.
Allways hasty to correct other posters?

"Eile mit Weile" WhiteBlue - will make you more amiable among your fellow forumers and less embrassing for yourself.
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I actually developed the post and added calculations later as you can see from the record of editions. I expressed my surprise that the Saturn V was relatively cheap and someone pointed to the fact that the rocket should have been weighted without fuel. Fuel was actually 2,687,700 kg on the Apollo 11 moon flight. That puts the empty rocket at 312,300 kg and the cost per Kg at € 8242/kg. The naked machine is still cheaper at todays adjusted prices than an F35 per kg. It shows how much money is made in military defense programs.
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sounds right to me...gotta pay for the fuel or ya don't go anywhere.
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Ciro Pabón wrote:You knew I had to write this! Well, I fall for it, Giblet.

10 mg of positrons cost 250'000.000 U$.
I believe that dark matter is currently the most sought after "matter".
And has as of yet, still to be sourced. The Hadron collider cost 9 billion dollars and has yet to even produce so much as an atom of dark matter.
The Americans have spent as much and are also yet to produce evidence of this near mythical substance. A quick read up on this suggests it is one of the most abundant forms of matter in the universe, but at our current levels of tech it is near impoosible to detect and even harder to produce.

Go figure :wink:
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: at at our current levels of tech it is near impoosible to detect and even harder to produce.
:wink:
sounds like MGP when talking about downforce or grip on the W01 :lol:
sorry could not resist the joke - but it´s all in good spirit
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look what they can do to a carburetor in just a few moments of stupidity with a screwdriver."
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Prices in my trade are not as obscene as in the military, and people end up being the expensive part. A postdoc in the UK earns about £30k/year. Assuming an average weight of 75kg, that is £400/kg per year.

It is much worse if you are an experimentalist working with a diamond anvil cell. Considering that the diamonds will develop cracks once you relax the pressure after you've been above 1 million atmospheres and that each ~1 carat diamond costs in the vicinity of €2000, that gives you a cost of 20 million euro per kg per experiment in the megabar region. While exotic, this is not as futuristic as Ciro's positron engine.
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Ciro Pabón wrote:You knew I had to write this! Well, I fall for it, Giblet.

10 mg of positrons cost 250'000.000 U$.
I believe that dark matter is currently the most sought after "matter".
And has as of yet, still to be sourced. The Hadron collider cost 9 billion dollars and has yet to even produce so much as an atom of dark matter.
The Americans have spent as much and are also yet to produce evidence of this near mythical substance. A quick read up on this suggests it is one of the most abundant forms of matter in the universe, but at our current levels of tech it is near impoosible to detect and even harder to produce.

Go figure :wink:
Oh, well, give the LHC some time to find the Higgs. After all, even if it's already been observed, which I doubt, because they aren't running LHC at full throttle, realising it will take its time. In any case, how would you measure success "weight" if they don't find anything and end up redefining high energy physics? X/0?

OT: Still not convinced about dark matter. For some reasons, I still prefer General Relativity to be wrong at large scales.
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747heavy wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: at at our current levels of tech it is near impoosible to detect and even harder to produce.
:wink:
sounds like MGP when talking about downforce or grip on the W01 :lol:
sorry could not resist the joke - but it´s all in good spirit
:lol:
Very good and so very near to the truth for this year!
More could have been done.
David Purley