How long can Alonso 8th engine last?

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How long can Alonso 8th engine last?

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1 down, 4 more races to go.

so far, no Ferrari engine has lasted more than 3 races this season, and in order for Alonso to avoid 10 place engine grid penalty, he will have use the same Monza engine till Abu Dhabi, which is a total of 6 races. What are the chances of that happening?
Is Alonso WDC dream going to end with a big bang?

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he doesn't have to use the same engine, he just can't use a new one. He still has usable engines.
"The car is slow in the straights and doesn't work well in the corners." JV

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Fernando Alonso won today’s Singapore Grand Prix using the same engine with which he raced in Germany and Hungary. It’s been a successful engine, scoring 68 out of a potential 75 points.

That engine will now be used for Fridays for the remainder of the season.


Despite having now used all his eight allocated engines, compared to his rivals Red Bull and McLaren who each have one fresh one to take, Alonso and Ferrari say that their running will not be compromised.

He has two engines which have both done one race each – Spa and Monza. These will be used across the remaining four races.

Ferrari say they are calm about the situation, given that the engine with which Alonso did his Friday running this weekend had covered over 2,500kms.

The other thing which is giving the team great satisfaction tonight is the fact that they have now beaten their opposition on two very different kinds of track – an extreme low downforce track (Monza) and a high downforce one (Singapore).

“This win means a lot to keep in the fight in the championship, ” said Alonso. “We know there are still four races to go but it seems we can be competitive in any track, so thanks to the team. Great job at the factory. Great job at the track as well getting 100 per cent of our potential all the time, so let’s see in the remaining races. Forza Ferrari!”

This bodes well for them for the remaining races. There is some discussion tonight about whether Korea will happen, although the pragmatists say it will happen even if we all have to muck in and help finish the track on the Thursday!

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He can still use his Bahrain engine in the last race at Abu Dhabi aswell.

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Sean H wrote:he doesn't have to use the same engine, he just can't use a new one. He still has usable engines.
He doesn't have any new engines.

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segedunum wrote:
Sean H wrote:he doesn't have to use the same engine, he just can't use a new one. He still has usable engines.
He doesn't have any new engines.
And? That is not really a problem. Read again WilliamsF1's post. Alonso used a new engine for Spa which should be slightly less punished than usual due to the rain. This should compensate a bit his spin and the Rubens T-bone. He used another new engine in Monza. These were engines 7 and 8. The engine that won yesterday was #6. I'd be a bit uncomfortable using a 2-race old engine in Abu Dhabi... but just a bit.
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Why is everyone getting confused about this rule?

You can use no more than 8 engines per season without incurring a penalty. Just because you used one, doesnt mean you cannot come back to that engine later on in the season. Ferrari does not have to use their Singapore engine until the end of the year. They can use one of the other 7 engines they have used throughout the year, without penalty.

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Miguel wrote:And? That is not really a problem. Read again WilliamsF1's post. Alonso used a new engine for Spa which should be slightly less punished than usual due to the rain.
He doesn't have any 'new' engines. You can go back and use one of your old engines used in another race, but Alonso has no 'new' engines. If he needs a new one he will incur a penalty.

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it is fair to say the those Ferrari engines prior to the modication carried out in May 2010 were pretty much useless?

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segedunum wrote:
Sean H wrote:he doesn't have to use the same engine, he just can't use a new one. He still has usable engines.
He doesn't have any new engines.
that was kinda my point, but thanks for repeating it.
"The car is slow in the straights and doesn't work well in the corners." JV

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CHT wrote:it is fair to say the those Ferrari engines prior to the modication carried out in May 2010 were pretty much useless?
Why would you assume that they didn't update all their engines? Knowing that they would use them later for FP or even races?
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Spa engine wasn't preserved at all. It was shut down instantly while engaged in gear, after going over 300 kph on the straight with no gradual cooling down.

That was mechanical stress followed by overheating.

At least my wishful thinking. After radio order scandal Alonso deserves no title.

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Sean H wrote:
CHT wrote:it is fair to say the those Ferrari engines prior to the modication carried out in May 2010 were pretty much useless?
Why would you assume that they didn't update all their engines? Knowing that they would use them later for FP or even races?
Once engines are produced, sealed by the FiA and used they cannot be updated. Only new engines that had not been raced can be produced to a new level of homologation.
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Gerhard Berger wrote:He can still use his Bahrain engine in the last race at Abu Dhabi aswell.
Not likely because the engine has the air leak problem, and they cannot update it to the new homologation once it is used to old homologation status.
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Fernando Alonso won today’s Singapore Grand Prix using the same engine with which he raced in Germany and Hungary. It’s been a successful engine, scoring 68 out of a potential 75 points.

That engine will now be used for Fridays for the remainder of the season.


Despite having now used all his eight allocated engines, compared to his rivals Red Bull and McLaren who each have one fresh one to take, Alonso and Ferrari say that their running will not be compromised.

He has two engines which have both done one race each – Spa and Monza. These will be used across the remaining four races.

Ferrari say they are calm about the situation, given that the engine with which Alonso did his Friday running this weekend had covered over 2,500kms.

The other thing which is giving the team great satisfaction tonight is the fact that they have now beaten their opposition on two very different kinds of track – an extreme low downforce track (Monza) and a high downforce one (Singapore).

“This win means a lot to keep in the fight in the championship, ” said Alonso. “We know there are still four races to go but it seems we can be competitive in any track, so thanks to the team. Great job at the factory. Great job at the track as well getting 100 per cent of our potential all the time, so let’s see in the remaining races. Forza Ferrari!”

This bodes well for them for the remaining races. There is some discussion tonight about whether Korea will happen, although the pragmatists say it will happen even if we all have to muck in and help finish the track on the Thursday!
This is a quotation by James Allan. Pretty good explanation of the facts but not by WilliamsF1! :lol:
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)