Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[ringo]

Ok haters party's over. The bashfest marathon is through. What's done is done and general and journalistic consensus is that Webber is at fault.

Time for the mclaren fans to step back in and discus how in the world is Hamilton going to win this championship.
It's the right time to be desperate, because the car is in desperate need of speed.

19 point gap, webber in the fastest car, webber wont let anyone pass him at all without risking his race.
Alonso is on form, the car is there for him, and he has a side kick ready to put his season on the line for him.

How can Hamilton win this in the last turn, of the last lap of the last race once more?

Will his teammate step up his game to take points of Webber and Alonso to give lewis a chance.
What happens if Hamilton has to humilate Webber as usual, but this time do it in a way that Webber can't fight back?

Haters welcomed to chip in your 2 cents.

[PlatinumZealot]

your point does not make any sense because you assume that a corner is given to just one driver.. when that is never the case. Two cars can go through a turn side by side, just like Kubica and Sutil..
If a driver chops the corner, then yes, only one driver will make it..but the point in all of this is that drivers are supposed to give each other room..

The difference is Sutil yielded which he indirectly admitted in this interview..
Sutil was even CLOSER to Kubica, basically level with Kubica before the braking zone and he YIELDED!

http://planetf1.com/news/18227/6417483/ ... rian-Sutil

Q: Towards the end you were passed by Robert Kubica, who had brand new tyres. What was that battle like?

AS: He was in a different category. He was four seconds a lap faster or something! I had no chance, so I had to take care of all the others behind me. I couldn't risk going off the circuit, so I just couldn't hold him. Once he passed me I got back in my rhythm and tried to control it.

[rfs]

So Lewis says he's going to go flat-out at Suzuka: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87101

For Suzuka in particular he needs to. But afterwards whenever he tries to overtake anyone he HAS to be more careful. One more DNF will not only kill his title hopes but Button will be ahead of him on points. And the "haterz" will never stop bleating if that's the case after Abu Dhabi.

It's the right time to be desperate, because the car is in desperate need of speed.

I think the Mclaren will have the speed to win at Suzuka, but it'll be more of a problem at Korea and Interlagos. So Lewis will have to go all out for the win next weekend, then concentrate on collecting podiums in the next 2 races and go for another win at Abu Dhabi.

Alonso is on form, the car is there for him, and he has a side kick ready to put his season on the line for him.

Everything's looking quite rosy for him at the moment. But maybe he's due another bout of bad luck. Or just one more fatal lapse in concentration. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

How can Hamilton win this in the last turn, of the last lap of the last race once more?

Well before he does that he needs to stay in contention.

Will his teammate step up his game to take points of Webber and Alonso to give lewis a chance.

Nope, no chance. Jenson won't win the title but he'll be desperate to beat Lewis.

[hollus]

Webber was also sitting in the car with the best braking ability of the whole field, making the fact of him being "behind" at the beginning of braking zone a bit bogus.

[marcush.]

tbh.
Webber has removed the biggest obstacle on his way to the championship and Hamilton gave him the chance to do so.
avoidable accident by Webber and not clean racing.As you can see Hamilton went over the corner exit and still webber hit him without need to do so.
That was not a misjudgement on webbers side it was going for a collision not fighting for position.You might argue about this but in his position there was only one ways to
claim back the position in this corner for him:remove Hamilton.And this is not in the Agenda of allowed moves.You are allowed to move to protect your line ,and you are allowed to intimidate to a degree(clearly restricted as we could see with Barrichello/Schumacher).

[Paul]

I find it slightly unbelievable that Webber is so short-sighted, seeing only the nearest rival as his only rival, when it is so close between five. But that is pretty much the only explanation why he had to risk retirement to not let Hamilton through when he could just finish behind him and minimize losses.

[timbo]

But that is pretty much the only explanation why he had to risk retirement to not let Hamilton through when he could just finish behind him and minimize losses.

Only explanation, huh?

You're in the cockpit of a 750+ HP kart with no suspension in common meaning of this word doing 180 mph after more than of hour of the most daunting track of the championship at Singapore heat. Then there's a newb in his sh*t car in front of you slowing to let you pass, but for some reason doing it on the racing line. You only have a fraction of a seconf to avoid crashing in him. After that your closest rival in the championship (of course your race engineer told you several times you have to keep distance from him but your tyres are older than dirt) moves onto you because you've lost speed because of the newb but you have inside line and less than 70 meters to brake. I would imagine his only thought was "fvck you, you're not getting this!".
How's that for an explanation?

[Mysticf1]

tbh.

That was not a misjudgement on webbers side it was going for a collision not fighting for position.You might argue about this but in his position there was only one ways to
claim back the position in this corner for him:remove Hamilton.And this is not in the Agenda of allowed moves.You are allowed to move to protect your line ,and you are allowed to intimidate to a degree(clearly restricted as we could see with Barrichello/Schumacher).

[Paul]

Is it any different? Or you think that if it was, say, Hulkenberg, he would have done the same? Would he have done the same if it was Alonso or Vettel from your point of view?

It is all speculation, of course, unless it was possible to read his mind...

[aral]

tbh.
Webber has removed the biggest obstacle on his way to the championship and Hamilton gave him the chance to do so.
avoidable accident by Webber and not clean racing.As you can see Hamilton went over the corner exit and still webber hit him without need to do so.
That was not a misjudgement on webbers side it was going for a collision not fighting for position.You might argue about this but in his position there was only one ways to
claim back the position in this corner for him:remove Hamilton.And this is not in the Agenda of allowed moves.You are allowed to move to protect your line ,and you are allowed to intimidate to a degree(clearly restricted as we could see with Barrichello/Schumacher).

Do you really believe that Webber deliberately tried to take his rival out, (as Senna did with Prost?) That would be highly unlikely because Webber could not possibly forsee who would be knocked out, if anyone. It could have ended up with Webber being out and Hamilton surviving, to take the lead in the WDC.

[ringo]

Interesting that you brought up Senna and Prost.
Who was wrong in that incident, and who was responsible, the leader or follower?
Who had the inside but was behind?

What's the difference between Hamilton and Webber?
Their case is even worse, if we look on the nature of the turn and speed differential.

Nail in the coffin.

[Mysticf1]

think about the possibilities, if webber had of taken himself out, which he almost did aswell as hamilton he would have lost the championship lead to alonso, while bringing vettel his greatest threat much closer.

sometimes i think people forget these incidents happen in a very short period of time, drivers mainly working with split second reactions based on instinct.

[timbo]

sometimes i think people forget these incidents happen in a very short period of time, drivers mainly working with split second reactions based on instinct.

+10e+100

[ringo]

think about the possibilities, if webber had of taken himself out, which he almost did aswell as hamilton he would have lost the championship lead to alonso, while bringing vettel his greatest threat much closer.

sometimes i think people forget these incidents happen in a very short period of time, drivers mainly working with split second reactions based on instinct.

I don't think Webber was thinking about the outcomes. All he was doing was preventing Hamilton from humiliating him. Red mist is the term that explains it.

The senna prost example is just to indicate the similarity and put some perspective on who has to be more accountable for the incident.

And it's the split second decision as to why the idea that the leading driver has to be responsible for a following driver is preposterous.

[aral]

Interesting that you brought up Senna and Prost.
Who was wrong in that incident, and who was responsible, the leader or follower?
Who had the inside but was behind?

What's the difference between Hamilton and Webber?
Their case is even worse, if we look on the nature of the turn and speed differential.

Nail in the coffin.

Your coffin maybe! Senna told prost that he was going to drive him off the road, and made NO effort to turn the car. I dont think that Webber had a word with Hamilton, to the effect that he was going to drive him off the road. But apart from that, it was Hamilton who tried to drive Webber off the road. Watch the move. Webber was pushed over the kerbs!