Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

[segedunum]

You're missing xpensive's point here.

Ross Brawn was involved in the technical regulations surrounding the diffuser regulations that were coming into force in 2009, as well as Chairman of the OWG in a way that can be best described as compromising. It's kind of like putting a fox in charge of designing chicken coops, but I suppose Brabham's ex-spanner, three decimal places man couldn't be trusted to do it which is why we ended up with FOTA's technical working group.

Newey never wrote any rules on flexible bodywork as xpensive says, so the comparison is just not valid. There's a difference between finding a loophole in regulations you didn't write, because that takes foresight and effort, and engineering a loophole you already have in mind into the wording of regulations that you are writing.

[segedunum]

Neverthless, alas, you will find the figures to be accurate unfortunately. Adam Cooper repeats the same in a slightly less detailed manner:

http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/09/14/braw ... t-in-2009/

[Richard]

Thanks Seg

Sounds like Brawn was at the centre of a perfect storm, right man in the right place at the right time.

We'll never know why Honda paid the money when they knew the Ecclestone windfall was coming along as well. I've never figured out why Honda didn't just walk away. All they achieved was losing several hundred million and a stash of publicity to Mercedes.

[PNSD]

It was very big of Honda to help pay for the season. When they announced their departure, the tears from their boss (the name escapes me!) was clear evidence of what F1 meant to Honda. A big well done to them imo.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Look, you guys are all missing very basic points here.

Brawn GP needed the Honda money to survive through 2009. They had a pound in the bank. Doesnt go very far does it?

Secondly the team had no loans or overdrafts to fund them for the year, they were also in the middle of a financial crisis. Who would give them the cash?
Had Honda not given them the money, the team would have been wound up no question.

Bernie offered them the money in March 09 much to Frank Williams chagrin. And the scoop was they got it.
I mean where exatly did this phantom £100 million appear from? Who gave it to the team? I think this is journalism with a pinch of salt.
Besides, who gets what and who paid whom is irrelevant now. Brawn has acted in a way befitting any company owner, and shouldnt be mauled for it.

And I will wait for full disclosure from Daimler when end of year results are published before I make any judgement.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

It was very big of Honda to help pay for the season. When they announced their departure, the tears from their boss (the name escapes me!) was clear evidence of what F1 meant to Honda. A big well done to them imo.

+1

[xpensive]

Okay X,

So you know Brawn highlighted this area in a meeting. He brought it to to other teams attention. From Memory I can actually remember Mario Theissen as the real villain of the piece here.
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Had no idea you attended said meeting JET?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yes I was there in my Ferrari suite, Massa's stunt double. Didnt you see?

[Richard]

JET - I agree with your analysis for the start of the season. What puzzles me is that Honda didn't retain a golden share in case of windfalls or profit. It appears that due diligence would have shown that the bernie payment was due.

ps - the data has come from company accounts

[xpensive]

Yes I was there in my Ferrari suite, Massa's stunt double. Didnt you see?

Guess you brought your Men-in-black tool to make sure nobody had any recollection of that RB statement then?

[marcush.]

according to the reports Brawn only survived due to a substantial loan received from the board members in March 2009..If they had not reduced by 100 to 450 it would just not have been possible to make it to the first GP.

and some info about Brawn GP ..quite telling theses figures...not directly related but..
http://www.pesmag.co.uk/features/52/200911/126/

[xpensive]

Yes I was there in my Ferrari suite, Massa's stunt double. Didnt you see?

Come Hocken, you will have plenty time to learn how to hate that suit, only then it will be have Alonso all over it.

Moreover, I'm planning to bring a fleet of mistresses to the occation, as Zweibrucken is just a stonethrow away,
correct marcush, will you care for the spargel?

[segedunum]

Brawn GP needed the Honda money to survive through 2009. They had a pound in the bank. Doesnt go very far does it?

Well, the Honda money was forthcoming pretty quickly and for Honda £100 million was small change to dvest themselves of something that was costing them an awful lot of money, and would continue to cost them an awful lot of money. It wasn't a terribly difficult decision.

The advanced FOM TV money (assuming that's all it was) as well as other pledges would have come pretty quickly. I find that the most interesting thing about it. Money duly appeared - no strings attached and interest free.

Secondly the team had no loans or overdrafts to fund them for the year, they were also in the middle of a financial crisis. Who would give them the cash?

They didn't need any loans, and that's the part that I find really intriguing. Take a look at their revenue for the year. It just shows how being an existing team and the advent of FOM TV money accumulated and owed can keep you afloat - if indeed that's all this money actually was.

I mean where exatly did this phantom £100 million appear from? Who gave it to the team? I think this is journalism with a pinch of salt.

We can suspect, but all we know for sure is that it duly appeared.

And I will wait for full disclosure from Daimler when end of year results are published before I make any judgement.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling we'll have some trouble picking the double accounting apart on that one.

[marcush.]

I will be glad to manage the spargel .
So .the one thing I have to look in is :How do I persuade Michael to join our party and sign that suit???


and ...btw counting money ..seg...WHEN did Mercedes UK/AABAR transfer the 130mill$ to Brawn,surely not before november 20th...and they got instantly 15mill of it back as dividents...
so lets count .450 headcount x9months = thats a huge sum they had to pay .plus Nick Fry stated the sum received from Mercedes was based on future achievements
(= development and production cost for the 2010 contender?)I think they were running on the rims come November....and had no security mercedes would indeed buy...and had no real option ...and that is astonishing as well...

[xpensive]

Fact of the matter is that RB was in charge of designing the very same diffuser-rules as he was planning to circumvent.

Fact is that his former employer, MrM for those of you not as old as me, had a vested interest in upsetting the FOTA-cart.

Fact is that the x-Brabham spannerman has a problem with enforcing rules as they are, let alone aerodynamic such.

And marcush, I doubt that I will have to eat that Nomex-thing, but if MS signs the same in the precense of my favourite Saarland mistress, I will obviously eat it. Spargel, Alt and all, under protest of course, but I will.