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I rather enjoyed the race, the tires made things very interesting as they add in strategy that was lost with the removal of refueling. eg Webber fighting his way back to 4th with a 4 stopper.
Frankly I think KERS should be banned, it adds nothing to the race and merely makes overtaking harder (not to mention that it's simply a poor green-washing attempt by mad max!).
I agree. If we were to use KERS like hybrids do and use it as a constant boost through the whole rev range, then that'd be different IMO, as it REALLY adds to the green credentials
Ever since tires became one of the major factors of determining who's going to win races and championships, it makes more sense to have tire management into play.
There is no simpler way to put it than this: Would you rather have everyone on the grid on the exact same single stop strategy on every single race, or see people going for different strategies and still benefiting from it whereas others don't?
Don't forget that last years' single stop was also artificial, as those tires could certainly do a race distance, but the FIA tried to engineer "excitement" by introducing the obligatory "use both compounds" rule..
To me, things like KERS and DRS are artifical and could gladly do without them. Tires should be up to the teams and drivers to make them work optimally. Even better, allow them to use whichever compound they want, as long as the total number of tires is limited. Why "force" people to race on the wrong tire just for the sake of it? If a rookie can make a set of tires last the whole race when champions need 2-3 pit stops, let it be!
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raymondu999 wrote:I agree. If we were to use KERS like hybrids do and use it as a constant boost through the whole rev range, then that'd be different IMO, as it REALLY adds to the green credentials
I like Kers because it gives a fighting chance against the DRS which can be too powerful depending on where it's used...you don't want to make overtaking a formality either.
I like KERS and I don't mind the DRS. Obviously it can cause some problems, as seen maybe with Webber and Heidfield where Webber was almost 2 seconds a lap quicker, but then couldn't get anywhere near him on the straights, even using DRS, because the Renault had KERS. But hey-ho, let's see how China turns out.
KERS can't be made permanently available. That would mean screwing that poor private team Red Bull, that would have to sacrifice their tight packaging to accommodate a functional system. Surely FIA can't allow that.
As long as strategies don't converge along the season. If all teams converge to a solution then it will probably become boring. When there's chance, possibilities, there's also risk and it's funnier, IMHO.
I believe KERS will converge and it will finally prove no adavantage to any team. For the moment there are teams with better kers, and teams which can't even make it work.
These tyres increase the track activity but it doesn't improve the racing IMO.
The on track battles are rather sloppy and slow.
The overtakes are too easy as well, as what we get now is a much much slower car defending and inevitable overtake.
The races are only good because of increased activity, i wouldn't say the quality is improved.
Too much tyre nursing which locks in the finishing order of the top positions.
I don't think vettel will go challenged at this rate.
Button could not touch him because he had to look after tyres. Too much of that will happen nowadays.
Pirelli need to increase the # of tyres for the weekend as well. Hamilton going on used tyres today was a buzz kill.
ringo wrote:These tyres increase the track activity but it doesn't improve the racing IMO.
The on track battles are rather sloppy and slow.
The overtakes are too easy as well, as what we get now is a much much slower car defending and inevitable overtake.
The races are only good because of increased activity, i wouldn't say the quality is improved.
Too much tyre nursing which locks in the finishing order of the top positions.
I don't think vettel will go challenged at this rate.
Button could not touch him because he had to look after tyres. Too much of that will happen nowadays.
Pirelli need to increase the # of tyres for the weekend as well. Hamilton going on used tyres today was a buzz kill.
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It has made more activity on track, but finally it is the fastest car that wins the race driven by the guy who has got the pole position.
BTW, isn't looking after your tires strategy an obstacle for fighting for positions? I mean for example you cannot challenge the race leader because you want to preserve your tires. Has it not made it a little boring? There is no way you can catch the leader unless sth happens to him during the race. Sometimes I think a 0 stop strategy with no need to be looking after your tires is much better way to have exciting races. But it is just my opinion you know
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When F1 was about trains we complained of zero overtaking.
Now we have some we complain it is too easy.
When there were no pit stops we complained of a boring race of tire management and more trains.
Now we have 2-4 stops we complain it's too confusing.
When the order stayed similar at the front we complained there's no excitement.
Now the top positions are shaken around throughout the race we complain of a lack of a "proper" fight.
When homologations and restrictions were introduced we complained of lack of innovation.
Now some are effectively asking for a spec series to "highlight drivers' skills".
What is it that we want?
Call it activity, call it overtaking, whatever. I think it can only be an improvement now that more things are happening over the course of a race, and there are more things for both the teams and the spectators to care about. A lot of us constantly make reference to the "good ole days" where unexpected results often happen. I'd like to remind you that some of that excitement came from paying the price of a relatively low standard of safety, among other things. Now FIA has taken the opinion of the fans and created something close to the old days without any penalty on safety, etc. We should be applauding them.
As some pointed out, both the rule makers and the teams are still learning about this new set of rules. Whatever excessive chaos / confusion we had this race would probably go away after the next few races. Giv'em a little bit of time, gents.
ringo wrote:The overtakes are too easy as well, as what we get now is a much much slower car defending and inevitable overtake.
I think somebody forgot to tell Hamilton and Alonso about this feature because that was a rip snorter of a battle and far from easy.
It seems as if these tyres will behave differently at every venue and that will provide a nice variety of strategic complexities to the races, rather than the staid and predictable strategies of previous years.
