Schumacher's 2011 performance

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HampusA wrote:Either this is Schumacher or it´s a very sad person indeed.

Could you post a picture of yourself with a little note in your hand saying F1Technical?
Just to verify if you really are Schumacher or just an extremely sad person.
Relax, the great man or the Boss as he is otherwise known is not amoungst us.

They posted a signed picture on the Merc thread. The location is the big give away. I don't think he still lives in his birth place. :wink:

I'm going with your latter description, this is definately not Schumacher.

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M.Schumacher wrote:Sorry currently running out of time, have to make it to the grid.
It's going to take you 1 hour and 20 minute to get to the grid! How you getting there? On Norbert Haug's back?!

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mirkovladic wrote:I think Michael still has a lot of his talent. Maybe he lost some reflexes. But the big problem he has is his driving still. He is in my opinion to brutal with the tyres. That's way he often doesn't improve his time from Q1 to Q2, Q3, because as he said the more he pushes the slower he goes. Apparently it' not so much the catch to put the car to the limit, but to push the tyres to the limit while not going over the limit. He is a little unlucky with this, as the tyres last year where stronger, but the car was heavily miss balanced for him. This year the tyres apparently can't handle his punishment. I think he has to only slightly take the tyres into account and slightly adjust his driving style to little less aggressive. ...
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A very good observation dude! I bet you are (or were) a racer!
It’s obvious that with his aggressive driving style he overheated the tyres and therefore they become with less grip. Even his official statement comes into support of this theory, because he told us that he push it a little bit too much. Schumi is aware of that but with Pirelli`s tyres being more softer than Bridgestone`s makes his life even complicated than last year. These tyres are for the likes of Button and even Rosberg gentle style of driving. Hamilton has the same driving style but he was adjusting his style and now Michael has too. Unfortunately it takes too long for him ... maybe it`s a little bit with the age, maybe it’s a little bit more with his driving style, but I think it`s a little bit of both ...
ms just confirmed on the bbc, that he made a mistake on turn one, then pushed too hard for the rest of the lap and cooked the tyres.

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Ehm where to begin, Ferrari definetely better then the Mercedes, The redbull was again flawless with a deserved P1 and P2. Schumachers first wheel clash and immediately he went inside for a pit which clearly effected his whole race. Rosberg seemed to have problems on the long run which was already a thing Brawn was commenting about before the race. At least a fifth place with overtaking a Mclaren. My race was already over when Schumi hit petrov and that was just three laps from the start. Well, the race was enjoyable, so much action happened in the front, middle and even in the back.

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Well atleast your getting sadder ;)

The word fanboy just got a whole new meaning now..
The truth will come out...

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HampusA wrote:The word fanboy just got a whole new meaning now..
I think the orginial should consider a restraining order......

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andrew wrote:
Relax, the great man or the Boss as he is otherwise known is not amoungst us.
To be honest, what makes You so sure about it? What difference does it make to google this site to a so called celebrity than to any other people? Does the more well-known people use different internet than common people? Sometimes people may want to know what others think about them (I know I wouldn't if I ever was so unlucky to had to be suffering from fame). I'm not saying that user M.Schumacher is or is not the real one, but that's not the point. With some anonymity of the interface people become so unrespectful from time to time, that's what is SAD.
That's a sign of huge inferiority complex for me to dismiss possibility that some of the people we keep talking about in here can actually read it. Accepting that possibility would mean we should take some responsibility for what we write, maybe thats the reason so many won't do it...

PS: Andrew, please don't take it as an attack because of the quote. It's just a long maturing thought :)

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the guy has spirit .His race was over after the incident with pedrov even though he could dive straight into the pits .
But he drove an inspired race and had a lot of clean exciting racing all day long..This is not a old man who lost his ways.

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Although he has spirit and i still am a big fan of MS, he is just not the same anymore. He just cant push the car to the limit like he did used to.

Nico Rosberg's fastest lap was 0,6s faster than MS was.

He is just too old.
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He's the fastest out there, but seams to have fallen in love with Kobayashi's and Petrov's rear ends. :mrgreen:

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andrew wrote:
HampusA wrote:Either this is Schumacher or it´s a very sad person indeed.

Could you post a picture of yourself with a little note in your hand saying F1Technical?
Just to verify if you really are Schumacher or just an extremely sad person.
Relax, the great man or the Boss as he is otherwise known is not amoungst us.
The same guy that was getting his but kicked by every driver into turn 12?
How many times was he overtaken today?

Don't let the BOSS find this thread man, he'll take it out on shumacher next race just to spite you.

I think The Shu-lacer-racer needs to fake a Robert Kubica accident and get out while he can. He's not going to get back to his old self.
I had some hope in him coming into this season, but it's not about the car or tyres, he' just too twitchy and lacks the sharpness. Reminiscent of the closing stages of 2006 where he lost motivation.

He will need a redbull car 1 second a lap faster than everyone to make him look like he never lost it.

I want a podium from him this year though, at least at Monaco. Something to remember his comeback by.
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ringo wrote:
andrew wrote:
HampusA wrote:Either this is Schumacher or it´s a very sad person indeed.

Could you post a picture of yourself with a little note in your hand saying F1Technical?
Just to verify if you really are Schumacher or just an extremely sad person.
Relax, the great man or the Boss as he is otherwise known is not amoungst us.
The same guy that was getting his but kicked by every driver into turn 12?
How many times was he overtaken today?

Don't let the BOSS find this thread man, he'll take it out on shumacher next race just to spite you.

I think The Shu-lacer-racer needs to fake a Robert Kubica accident and get out while he can. He's not going to get back to his old self.
I had some hope in him coming into this season, but it's not about the car or tyres, he' just too twitchy and lacks the sharpness. Reminiscent of the closing stages of 2006 where he lost motivation.

He will need a redbull car 1 second a lap faster than everyone to make him look like he never lost it.

I want a podium from him this year though, at least at Monaco. Something to remember his comeback by.
It's sad its come to this. Every record in the book, but thats not good enough. Lets hold on to a raceseat and make a little cash while getting pounded by every young gun in F1. Doesn't seem like the actions of a 7 time WDC. Oh well its his legacy let him ruin it if he wants to. I'm just surprised that he's not even CLOSE to matching the other man in an identical car.
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I'm actually finding a little bit of satisfaction from Schuie's poor performance. Those of us who always questioned his legacy (especially the Ferrari years with clever contracts, bespoke tyres and unlimited testing) are being vindicated.

Rosberg is making Schumacher look ordinary. As someone else has said: it's his legacy to throw away...
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Just_a_fan wrote:I'm actually finding a little bit of satisfaction from Schuie's poor performance. Those of us who always questioned his legacy (especially the Ferrari years with clever contracts, bespoke tyres and unlimited testing) are being vindicated.

Rosberg is making Schumacher look ordinary. As someone else has said: it's his legacy to throw away...
All drivers who have no 1 status have preferential treatment. Senna, Hamilton, Mansell, Schumacher, Alonso to name a few have all had this. It is an ugly truth but I don't understand why Schumacher is always singled out.

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Just_a_fan wrote:I'm actually finding a little bit of satisfaction from Schuie's poor performance. Those of us who always questioned his legacy (especially the Ferrari years with clever contracts, bespoke tyres and unlimited testing) are being vindicated.

I still think Schumacher's legacy is a good one. Albeit nowhere near as impressive as the figures suggest.
My main problem with Schumacher is he skirted around having quick team mates. I think if Hakkinen had been at Ferrari he would have achieved the same as Schumacher.

The reality of his legacy is that it is more one of Team Schumacher rather than team Ferrari. Everything there was for him, and with the money they had 5 titles is the least to have come from it. He still had to go ut and do it though, but what satisfaction are you getting from pounding an average number 2 into submission?

Senna and Prost are immortalised for their rivalry, Neither had number 1 status over the other
Hakkinen was also allowed to race Senna when he joined McLaren. If you watch the Senna film you can see it for yourself.
Schumacher will be held up as a statistical great and each have their own brilliant moments. Depends what does it for you.
The way I see it stats are not the best way to see whos the greatest as it doesnt encompass the realities of how they were achieved. For example, standard of competition within the team, and from outside competition.

What we are seeing in 2011 is an ageing great who's bubble is slowly deflating.
He doesnt have the team surrounding him, he doesnt have the big budget's and the testing regime, and he doesnt have his youth. He also has to contend with Rosberg.
If he isnt within half a second of Rosberg in the next 3 races I would start to think of calling it quits in 2011 and give Di Resta a seat in 2012.
More could have been done.
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