DRS at Monaco: Dangerous, Daring or Delightful?

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What do you think of the use of the DRS in Monaco?

Poll ended at 24 May 2011, 18:04

Too dangerous. In qualifying and race.
8
11%
I want the DRS zone to be in the Tunnel!
22
29%
It should be allowed in practise, qualy and race.
25
33%
Ban DRS, allow it only in Monaco and Hungary!
2
3%
DRS should only be allowed in the race.
9
12%
Ban DRS completly now. Those Pirelli's are enough.
9
12%
 
Total votes: 75

l4mbch0ps
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I'm definitely on board with the "no-one forces the drivers to use it" camp... It's also dangerous to allow the drivers to go so close to the walls... to allow them to choose braking points... basically to let them drive.

And this:
bhallg2k wrote:And I'll remind you that no driver has ever been injured or killed while doing something he didn't think he could safely do.
...is a pretty silly statement. You are implying that no driver ever does anything he believes to be un-safe. Driving is risk evaluation, pure and simple. They do things they're know aren't safe all the time.

walter
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even with DRS the cars will be running very high downforce so I doubt that the use of it will be any danger in the tunnel. Turkey proved that even with a medium downforce setting and DRS activated you can take high speed turn turn 8. monaco's tunnel turn has similar speeds I believe.

I think the DRS will enable the pit straight to be used as a potential passing point if that is where the DRS will be activated.

alelanza
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l4mbch0ps wrote:Driving is risk evaluation, pure and simple.
I'm loving that phrase, thanks!
Alejandro L.

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Fil
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The downforce level that the cars will be running with is not the saving grace here, it's the balance shift as soon as DRS is activated that is the issue.
And if Turkey T8 is anything to go by, Red Bull could be the only team able to use DRS in the tunnel. No wonder others are unhappy about it being allowed in Monaco!


As for DRS effectiveness for passing in Monaco, let's work with some facts & logic:

Melbourne pit straight = approx 750m. DRS effectiveness = limited/minimal.
Monaco pit straight = approx 450m. DRS effectiveness = :roll:
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I may be arguing both sides with the above, but that's exactly my point. DRS should be allowed, but it won't have any effect on passing.
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bhall
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l4mbch0ps wrote:You are implying that no driver ever does anything he believes to be un-safe. Driving is risk evaluation, pure and simple. They do things they're know aren't safe all the time.
I couldn't have said it better myself. And a driver who gets it wrong more times than not will have a very short career, so I don't worry much about F1 drivers, who typically have a record of achievement to stand upon. Yet, accidents still happen. That's why they're called accidents.

I just think a risk/reward analysis of DRS at Monaco points to more potential harm than good.

i70q7m7ghw
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andrew wrote:Apart from being dangerous at Monaco, there is really no where to use DRS to gain any real benefit.
Motor racing is dangerous. Forgetting Monaco's heritage, if they tried to introduce it as a new venue today it would get rejected on safety grounds. Formula 1 only goes to Monaco because of the history and presitge.

Source:
-In the Driving Seat, Page 32, Lines 8–10
-ISBN 0-09-173818-0
-http://www.amazon.co.uk/Driving-Seat-Gr ... 078&sr=8-1

oranjemanzandvoort
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i think that the lack off downforce WILL cause accidents !!!
i think 2 0r 3 safetycars and atleast 1 or2 serious accidents !!1

beelsebob
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oranjemanzandvoort wrote:i think that the lack off downforce WILL cause accidents !!!
i think 2 0r 3 safetycars and atleast 1 or2 serious accidents !!1
I think the cars will have the exact same level of downforce as ever where they need it. It's not like people are running with the flap always open.

Italiano
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Why are all of you so bent over the tunnel? I seriously think that most of you don't even know what you're blathering. There is almost no better DRS zone than the start/finish straight. Tunnel is dirty, narrow and if a crash happens there, it's a long SC period.
#Forza Michael #Forza Jules

fenix4life
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Fil wrote: Monaco pit straight = approx 450m. DRS effectiveness = :roll:
If they can get a little closer we could see some action at the casino complex or at the hairpin.

DRS is not always about easy pass but can also be used just to get a bit closer for some action a bit later.

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They may use the drs to save weight, like fuel. Remember downforce needs alot of fuel.. Maybe hard to understand
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HampusA
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but they still can only use it in one place.. fuel savings would be miniscule.

What is longer, tunnel or pit straight?
The truth will come out...

alelanza
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oranjemanzandvoort wrote:i think that the lack off downforce WILL cause accidents !!!
i think 2 0r 3 safetycars and atleast 1 or2 serious accidents !!1
OK!!!! thanks!!!! great contribution to the subject!!!!!!

:roll:
fenix4life wrote:If they can get a little closer we could see some action at the casino complex
Good point, i wonder that would allow at least 1 or 2 passes into Mirabeau, it's been many years since that has happened.
Alejandro L.

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Im with Jarno Trulli on this one. DRS at Monaco, how ever delightful, i think should be banned there and Monza, allow the teams to bring a Monaco and Monza specific rear wing to theese events.

Monza DRS could be used in 4 zones achiveably, however, with the Pirellis this could make overtaking too easy. As for Monaco, DRS will not work in my eyes, the cars just dont have the speed to make it work.

I have a question, can the teams and drivers come to a volentary aggreement that they wont use DRS, and exclude the DRS button from the steering wheel??? I know each car has to have DRS on it, but it dosnt have to be active does it???

However, i will be glad to be proved wrong on this one.

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HampusA
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No DRS is up to each his own. the driver makes the last call no matter what the team says.
Ultimately they know best. I can´t see any benefit of using DRS at Monaco but i´m not a driver nor a team owner..
The truth will come out...