Hungaroring

gulfcoast · Post 12 Apr 2006, 02:18

It has not been a favourite of mine, one of my Hungarian friends translated an oldie article from the mid 80's saying Bernie sketched the layout of the raceway, perhaps that that keeps it in for 20 yrs now. Do you guys think it will go giving some place to new exciting tracks? There's some competition to get in it has no chance unless this grapevine is true.

manchild · Post 12 Apr 2006, 02:30

That's one track Bernie won't replace for sure. As much as I know he owns that track an that is why it survided all turbulent times. Even the road approaching Hungaroring is named "Bernie Avenue".

http://www.jackontrack.nl/IMAGES/fotos/213__images

gulfcoast · Post 12 Apr 2006, 02:52

thx, I looked at it and the majority stakeholder is the state (http://www.hungaroring.hu/hungaroring_e ... mpany_info, but heck I guess he made a nice deal to cover his back, well as Dumas written long ago, good business always means others' money. Anyway, I still think it is a boring track.

vyselegend · Post 12 Apr 2006, 02:59

It is boring I agree, simply because of the lack of overtaking opportunities (ie too short straights). But when I see they want to move either the spannish GP or european GP to Valencia, I think Hungaroring is not that bad, because Valencia seems even more twisty with even shorter straights and it has absolutely no elevation changes. A good track for testing, but THAT will be a boring racing track...

gulfcoast · Post 12 Apr 2006, 03:48

Quite right, with Suzuka down the drain, and Tilke creations rising

johny · Post 12 Apr 2006, 09:17

Valencia is planing updates to made it faster with longer straights.

F1 has become just a bussines in terms of track election, there aren't any changes at all, just the same track every year with long term contracts and more and more "exotic" ones in countries that doesn't feel F1, with so little crowds and just for the money

ketanpaul · Post 12 Apr 2006, 15:13

sounds like the fans need new tracks at new places!!!

manchild · Post 12 Apr 2006, 16:58

Absolute majority of 50.000 fans participating in FIA survey said that their top 3 circuits are Monaco, Spa and Monza.

adavidm · Post 19 Apr 2006, 23:28

manchild wrote:Absolute majority of 50.000 fans participating in FIA survey said that their top 3 circuits are Monaco, Spa and Monza.

Wasn't it silverstone, not monza?

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Re ... 05-01.html

manchild · Post 20 Apr 2006, 14:04

ok, Silverstone 6% more than Monza

Ciro Pabón · Post 30 Apr 2006, 02:59

Finally. It was about time. My answer: tracks are the Cinderella of F-1. And she is relegated to a Super-Aguri chariot, I bet.

Can anyone tell me why track design seems so primitive? I have been asking for a year. I even made an AutoCAD restitution of Google Earth's photos for Catalunya (75Kb), here with photos (1.5 Mb), if you want to check my accuracy (fools!), as some of you already know. To my surprise, it has "old" circular curves. Right from the straight into the curve, sideslope transition on the straight, mortal sin!

It has only transition curves on the exit, in the lonely two curves that HAVE some transition! And, pleeez, transitions are not for the convenience of the driver, before somebody gives me the old "the track is challenging" argument: they are there for the coherence of the road transversal profile. Check any text on road design written after 1980. I can even lend you a sample of the ones I have written...

Besides: it is true that Tilke designed four radius curves (that some people admire, unconscious amateurs...) instead of spiral transitions? Why, in heaven? Where did this guy learn to design roads? What am I missing? Do aliens exist?