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SchumacherM wrote:Why are all of you so bent over the tunnel? I seriously think that most of you don't even know what you're blathering. There is almost no better DRS zone than the start/finish straight. Tunnel is dirty, narrow and if a crash happens there, it's a long SC period.
One of the few good comments here.......Using DRS is not like "z0MG I have no downforce anymore I'm gonna crash"...It is the same as on other tracks, from a certain speed onwards aerodynamics come into play......There might be some accidents in practice when people try to figure out where the limit is, just like Sutil in Melbourne, only that the walls are closer in Monaco. (and I even doubt that we'll see something like that....)
ESPImperium wrote:Im with Jarno Trulli on this one. DRS at Monaco, how ever delightful, i think should be banned there and Monza
I would add Spa, in some circuits there are no need of DRS, or simply is not useful.
Yep, if you're not on the rev limitter at the end of Kemmel there's something very wrong... That said, maybe they'll use it on the start/finish "straight" to see if people can squirt past at the hairpin.
Haha, it is all Michael Schumachers fault, the drivers wanted to ban DRS for Monaco, Charlie Whiting wanted an unanimous assent, but Schumacher vetoed!
source: motorsport-magazin.com
I think the "tunnel straight" is longer than start finish straight.
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.
FrukostScones wrote:Haha, it is all Michael Schumachers fault, the drivers wanted to ban DRS for Monaco, Charlie Whiting wanted an unanimous assent, but Schumacher vetoed!
source: motorsport-magazin.com
I think the "tunnel straight" is longer than start finish straight.
Given his previous role in driver safety it figure. He has a point though. Whilst a driver has the option of using it, having DRS available at Monaco is sheer stupidity.
andrew wrote:having DRS available at Monaco is sheer stupidity.
I honestly don't get why people think this. We've seen exactly 1 crash caused by DRS this season, and that was in the first race where people were getting used to it. I honestly don't get why people are expecting the best drivers in the world not to be able to use DRS at the appropriate moments round a street circuit.
The difference is that there is no run off at Monaco. Someone crashes they are going to hit something very hard, very fast and very quickly or they will block the track.
For all of F1's passion for safety, Monaco is a true testamant to hypocracy aimed at pleasing a few millionaires whilst hiding being the guise of history.
DRS is unsafe on a normal track should it malfunction. Monaco is stupidly unsafe at the best of times. Add a malfunctioning DRS and it is beyond lethal. DRS malfunctions so far have meant the wing opens in the wrong location (Alonso in China), doesn't open for the full length of the DRS zone or doesn't open at all. It is only a matter of time until a wing opens and stays open.
Then you add in tyres where the grid drops down a sheer cliff. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
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Reason:Please use people's proper names. No need to incite.
These guys are the best drivers in the world, and if anyone is aware of the potential problems at Monaco, no one knows better than them.
On one side they have the pressures of their own competitiveness, the obligations of their contract, and the desire of their fans for a win, to accept certain risks and go racing. On the other side they have their experience and intelligence to balance out the risks and take a realistic assessment of the situation. I say to respect the wishes of the drivers, they are the ones at risk, and they are in the best position to decide whether to go forward. Historically, there have been times when drivers or a certain driver has drawn a line and basically parked the car. That option is open to them, extreme as it is.
So let the drivers decide.
Somehow, and I'm trying to figure that out in it's own way, I arrive at a conclusion opposite to the consensus. I'd like to see DRS available at anywhere at Monaco, no restrictions, they can use it as many times as they wish, and at any location of the track.
These guys know the car is unbalanced when DRS is activated, and there's also a transition period where instability is high. They also know that if they floor the gas pedal at Mirabeau they will spin out. Drivers adjust, they are not idiots, they are grown adults, I believe they can handle it.
Of all the tracks, Monaco is the most difficult to pass. I always believed that a faster car should at least have the opportunity to pass the defending car ahead. I also believe that the drivers have to race not only the track, but each other. With DRS, the attacking driver has a little better chance than before. Maybe DRS won't make any difference and Monaco will be just as impossible to pass as before. But at least we allowed the drivers a better opportunity to pass a slower car.
Some people get nervous and balk away at the idea of drivers cutting inside of each other, fighting going into corners, unpredictable, fierce racing. Actually, that's what I want to see and I believe the drivers are capable of delivering if given the opportunity.
Safety is always an issue, and I take it seriously. But at present, a Formula One car, if operated incorrectly, has the potential to crash and cause fatalities at Monaco. Allowing DRS doesn't change that, it just alters the parameters the driver needs to follow for safe operation.
ps, if DRS malfunctions at any track, it's dangerous. Monaco is no different than Canada or Monza, Spa, or anywhere else. If DRS malfunctions at the wrong time, we can easily have a bad wreck.
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.
andrew wrote:The difference is that there is no run off at Monaco. Someone crashes they are going to hit something very hard, very fast and very quickly or they will block the track.
For all of F1's passion for safety, Monaco is a true testamant to hypocracy aimed at pleasing a few millionaires whilst hiding being the guise of history.
Cool, so that makes me a hypocrit millionaire
BTW, the Indy 500 is that same day, why don't you watch that instead? oh no wait last year Conway had a nasty accident there too, so that's not safe enough either.
alelanza wrote:Cool, so that makes me a hypocrit millionaire
I did not say the millionaires are hypocrites. Try reading what I wrote. It is the F1 powers that be that are hypocrites. Constantly banging on about improving safety, yet they hold a race at Monaco. Given the lack of over taking opportunities it is only to please a few Monaco residents which tend to be millionaires.
alelanza wrote:BTW, the Indy 500 is that same day, why don't you watch that instead? oh no wait last year Conway had a nasty accident there too, so that's not safe enough either.
For a start I can’t watch the Indy 500 as it is not broadcast on free-to-view in the UK that I know off.
You seriously can’t compare Indianapolis and Monaco in terms of safety. One is a purpose built circuit!
