Real merc logo on the MGP W02?

[beelsebob]

1) Is the shape of the nose correct for keeping the air attached in the location of the emblem? You are not going to find any NACA foil shapes with this shape of nose area. I am going to assume the flow is detached in the area of the emblem and that the aero group approved the location of the raised emblem.

2) What would be the most effective way to remove the acrylic urethane coating after each race?

Brian

I could also be that turbulent flow in that particular place is advantageous, and that a mercedes logo was as good as anything (well, close enough) to produce that.

[MeowMix]

It would make absolutely no sense having a real logo.

That logo is painted on. And whoever pointed out that they painted the black background then stuck the logo back on I believe is wrong. Although it seems to show the logo being stuck back on, if you see the way they used tape to hold it in place I reckon they ere going to use it as a template or guide for a different colour shadow (to compliment the black).

I find it incredibly hard to believe that in a sport where 0.05seconds could be the difference between a position, a logo that sticks out by more than 3 or 4 mm would actually ever be allowed on a car. Think of the useless weight, the effect on aero and everything. There is no way in hell that the logo is real ^^.

Rant over

I find it incredibly hard to believe that when there's video & photo evidence showing that the logo is an actual badge they stick on the car people can still come up with way's to dismiss what it is.

There would be no need to use a badge like that to use it as a template to paint on another colour, masking tape templates generated on some graphics software would be used, not a bloody badge, especially as the badge is would be covering the are they require to paint to give any contrast against the black already laid down.

Weight an issue ? really ? considering the car without fuel & ballast is around 150kg lighter than the required minimum weight limit, this badge is not going to be an issue.

And as for the effect on aero, it's probably so small it's insignificant.

A surface sticking up that much with air flowing around it at high speed can (and does) cause the laminar flow to become turbulent. Why in the world, would the aero engineers allow this to happen? They are just introducing more headaches for themselves...

At that point in time, you want to keep turbulent flow to a minimum. You are dealing with a streamlined object and as such most of the drag will come from skin friction. Something greatly reduced in laminar flow regimes. Turbulent flow is advantageous with blunt objects whose friction is caused mainly by the "vacuum" they create behind them. Turbulent flow would be advantageous say for filling in teh gap between the drivers helment and the airbox. Also, turbulent flow is best kept at a minimum in an F1 car. Turbulent flow over the wings and downforce producing surfaces (and most smooth surfaces in general) will be detrimental to downforce generation and drag reduction (as skin friction is increases, boundary layer separation is onset sooner, etc.).

Ignore Inside F1 programs and stuff, the only reason teams participate in those programs is due to the free advertising. They are obviously going to exaggerate somewhat and lie about certain things.

Look at this picture of the car actually running. I cant discern any change in the profile.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... day2_7.jpg

That said. Believe what you want to believe, but in an industry where 0.030 seconds can be the difference between 3rd and 5th id see it as a waste tbh...

[hardingfv32]

At the normal air speeds seen by this nose, how do we know this nose shape maintains attached air flow?

Brian

[MeowMix]

At the normal air speeds seen by this nose, how do we know this nose shape maintains attached air flow?

Brian

You are talking about the leading 5 inches of the car. You would sure as hell want it to! Think of the effect already having detached and turbulent flow would have on the rear wing. Also the existence of the two "side bumps" further on would seem to suggest the air remains attached and is guided along to where the engineers want it. If the air was to detach at or before the merc logo there would be very little point in having those really as turbulent flow will effectively do what it wants.

Also I go back to my earlier point. You would not want to have turbulent, detached flow on a surface such as this. Because streamlined surfaces create most of their drag through skin friction, the best way to reduce this would be to design it to keep airflow over it laminar.

[HampusA]

I´m pretty sure it has no effect at all. Mercedes have their own wind tunnel. If it were to destroy the whole cars aero then we would not see a real badge.

[hollowBallistix]

here's a picture of the nose cone detail from this weekend

[i70q7m7ghw]

Conclusive.

[lotus7]

Conclusive.

Well, Meowmix insists it is an advertising stunt .........

"Ignore Inside F1 programs and stuff, the only reason teams participate in those programs is due to the free advertising. They are obviously going to exaggerate somewhat and lie about certain things."

[MeowMix]

Conclusive.

Well, Meowmix insists it is an advertising stunt .........

"Ignore Inside F1 programs and stuff, the only reason teams participate in those programs is due to the free advertising. They are obviously going to exaggerate somewhat and lie about certain things."

I cant argue with that Sorry. The other stuff was all quite tangible and debatable I just didn't think they would. But I was clearly wrong. Ill go crawl back into my little cave now

Onto my next crusade!

[Richard]

Why would they need to remove any acrylic urethane coating after each race???

Surely the nose is made, painted, sponsor logos and MB Star stuck on and then that's it until the car is crashed, or the design changes.

[i70q7m7ghw]

They repaint sometimes, depends really. During the back to back fly away races they usually just touch up the paint jobs, so the cars tend to look a bit scruffy after a few races. If there's time they might strip and repaint panels if they have taken a beating.