Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

For ease of use, there is one thread per grand prix where you can discuss everything during that specific GP weekend. You can find these threads here.
andartop
andartop
14
Joined: 08 Jun 2008, 22:01
Location: London, UK

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Glad to hear Perez got away lightly after what looked like a really nasty crash. Hope he'll be back in time for the next race.

Would like to see what Ciro thinks about any possible modifications to this track, and that particular barrier.

HRT will be allowed to race. Hard to justify this decision by the stewards. Pity? As someone said in the BBC (EJ?), what will the FIA say if the HRTs end up causing a serious incident while someone tries to lap them for the 5th time? No need to be harsh to the smaller teams, but rules are supposed to be there for a reason.

Last but not least, what an amazing performance by Vettel! No matter how hard some posters may try to alter reality, what I saw was the guy giving it his all when it mattered and reaping the rewards with a spectacular lap. Yes, the Red Bull is overall the best car at the moment. But today in Q3 Vettel was also the best driver. Simple as that. The rest is all just speculation.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

User avatar
ringo
240
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 10:57

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Monaco is what it is.
People with mutch riskier jobs aren't getting 4 million pounds a year.

We like to talk like the sport is so risky and dangerous and the drivers have to have balls the size of avocados, but when we see a little accident and someone gets hurt we want tot change the track.
A bit two faced don't you think?

[...]
Last edited by Steven on 29 May 2011, 20:58, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Removed trolling
For Sure!!

User avatar
Paul
11
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 19:33

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Since HRTs were fast enough during practices, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to race.

User avatar
Byronrhys
0
Joined: 09 Aug 2010, 03:14

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

The bump should be fixed but the turn shouldn't have any changes, soon we'll hear people calling for the removal of the wall of champions and Spa's bus stop chicane after what happened last year, I don't want that to happen.

andartop
andartop
14
Joined: 08 Jun 2008, 22:01
Location: London, UK

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

I don't think the track layout itself needs to be changed. Ciro is the expert, but I would have thought a barrier like that one does not need to start out of nowhere exactly where a car that's lost control out of the tunnel is more likely to end up.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

vall
vall
0
Joined: 04 Nov 2008, 21:31

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

I also think the track should not be changed, but the bumps need to be fix and that barrier moved further

CHT
CHT
-6
Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 05:24

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

donskar wrote:So, Vettel once again. I still don't understand why so many posters want to close their eyes to the fact that the RB is simply the fastest car on the track, and that Vettel is one of the fastest drivers. That is a scary combination if you want a close race for the WDC. The RBR does seem to be a bit quicker in qual than the race, but if Vettel leads into turn 1 this could be a long day for everyone else. We need another blinding start from Alonso (or anyone not in a Red Bull).
5 poles out of 6 in hot, cold, fast, medium and slow circuit. I think RBR and Vettel is just unstoppable.

Vettel and RBR will go all out to win this one.

andartop
andartop
14
Joined: 08 Jun 2008, 22:01
Location: London, UK

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Paul wrote:Since HRTs were fast enough during practices, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to race.
Because as far as I know the 107% rule is about qualifying, not free practice. With neither of their two cars setting a time in Q1 we simply do not know how fast or slow they could have been in Q1. What's the point of having a rule if you're not going to enforce it? And of all places, this is the one race of the season where it makes sense to enforce this rule..
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

User avatar
HampusA
0
Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 14:49

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Hamiltons lap deleted...
The truth will come out...

andartop
andartop
14
Joined: 08 Jun 2008, 22:01
Location: London, UK

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

...and apparently it was a common decision between his engineers and him to only go for one lap:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91813

No bad luck there then, just poor decision making. :oops:
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

lebesset
lebesset
7
Joined: 06 Aug 2008, 14:00

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

if hamilton wants to make any progress he has to pretend he is button and do a one stopper , smooth and gentle ; the McLaren is good enough to keep up with no stress at all

question is , what is button going to do ...you can see from the Q3 tyre usage that the plan was to get hamilton on pole with 2 stops , jenson a one stopper

but what happens now ?
to the optimist a glass is half full ; to the pessimist a glass is half empty ; to the F1 engineer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be

Phillyred
Phillyred
3
Joined: 08 Apr 2010, 18:46

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

So many variables for tomorrow's race.. Really anything can happen.. On one hand a 1 stop strategy for Lewis may work, but depending on safety cars and at what point it could make or break him. I don't think Lewis can save his tires enough to make a steady charge on a 1 stopper. Going from 7th to 9th I don't think his strategy should change too much.

mach11
mach11
0
Joined: 21 Aug 2009, 14:28
Location: India

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

in my opinion... looking at the past few races... honestly, there is no racing going on.... only strategy and tyres.... wheel to wheel is just not there....

With regards to 2moro's race...

Button has a huge advantage to win the monaco grand prix.... he is much smoother with his tyres and can make it last really really long....

Though I would love it if Schumi can make it into top 3 but its just un predictable with all the strategy talks...

Seems interesting though.... got to wait for tomorrow....
"Be the change that you wish to see most in your world" -- Mahatma Gandhi

Just_a_fan
Just_a_fan
593
Joined: 31 Jan 2010, 20:37

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote: Hamilton - he starts making bold statements to the press followed by a big pile of fail. Not exactly boss today.
Well, Hamilton's biggest fan Alonso had the following to say about Hamilton's pace:
Today, McLaren were very quick and I think Hamilton was probably favourite to get pole. I don’t think the result of Q3 represents the true order because the red flag mixed up plans for many of the drivers. For Hamilton it went badly, while everything was fine for Red Bull
I think that nicely sums up the reality of today's Q3 events.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

ESPImperium
ESPImperium
64
Joined: 06 Apr 2008, 00:08
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Re: Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

Post

Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote:
ESPImperium wrote:Winner for me will be Button, however, my outsider would be Schumi. I am thinking that Webber will take Vettel off in Turn 1 and give Vettel his first DNF of they year.

However, i just hope Perez is fine, have been hearing on Twitter that he is awake and talking, however complaining of leg pain. Would not be surprised if he dosnt make Canada, but there are 2 weeks from now to then.

However, i feel that what was thought of in 2006 and brought up again in 2008 that the chichane coming out of the tunnel gets a reprofile, and finally get a decent enough run off. However purists may not aggree that theres any problem, but the track is already undergone modifications in the last 10 or so years to give more run off out of the swimming pool and also the modifications to the run off at Sainte Devote has always been tinkered with to get more room. Also the man hole and bump at the entry to Mirabau could be looked at at the same time. I know that would take away some personality of the track, but i feel the personality of the event is the atmosphere arround it, not the track itself by large.

Heres the modifications id do to the exit of the tunnel:
Image

Red = Track
Pink = Run Off
Green = Grandstand Areas
You want the cars to drive over or through the water?
Answer, no, build a new bit of track on that area. Im sure the local Monogaskes would like a bit of extra car parking space for the rest of the year. Im sure there could be a good use for the extra land for during the year.