Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

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beelsebob wrote: Turned in on someone on the racing line – that's absolutely his fault.
I saw only one replay and it seemed to me that Mal didn't notice that he was there.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
andrew wrote:
zeph wrote:Hamilton has gone berserk. I say DQ.
Stewards are investigating.
auto saibot wrote:the boss is all screwed up :lol:
Would you say he was desperate? :wink:
Or would you say a racer who never gives up trying to gain places?

In the past people have moaned because drivers settled for their places with several laps to go. Hamilton keeps attacking - something the likes of Schuie used to do "back in the day"...
I'd say it's a thin line between brilliantly aggresive and plain reckless and dangerous. Today he crossed that line.

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Fil wrote:VERY clever strategy swap by Red Bull when that first safety car came out (highly unlikely they planned him to go 1-stop from lap 16).

That gave Seb track position, and allowed him to be fortuitous with all the other safety car periods.

Very very clever work. =D>
I don't think it would have worked if the red flag hadn't happened... I guess we'll never know though.

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Hamilton's worst race ever. :lol:

Button disappoints again. Put hamilton in his place and that race would have been over after lap 60.

Poor strategy for Mclaren in Q3, with Hamilton, should have been a one stopper, and with Button, should have went on the prime in the second stop.
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FrukostScones wrote:
beelsebob wrote: Turned in on someone on the racing line – that's absolutely his fault.
I saw only one replay and it seemed to me that Mal didn't notice that he was there.
I missed it and am waiting for the replay before passing judgement.

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ringo wrote:Hamilton's worst race ever. :lol:

Button disappoints again. Put hamilton in his place and that race would have been over after lap 60.

Poor strategy for Mclaren in Q3, with Hamilton, should have been a one stopper, and with Button, should have went on the prime in the second stop.
You can't one stop a car you know will be in traffic - got to have options to move cars out of the way.

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I just don't get it, why they could work on the cars under red flag? This is a stupid rule.

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zeph wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
Would you say he was desperate? :wink:
Or would you say a racer who never gives up trying to gain places?

In the past people have moaned because drivers settled for their places with several laps to go. Hamilton keeps attacking - something the likes of Schuie used to do "back in the day"...
I'd say it's a thin line between brilliantly aggresive and plain reckless and dangerous. Today he crossed that line.

In the first incident Massa moved twice. shouldn't have been a penalty.

The second one looked like Maldonado squeezed unnecessarily. Like Massa in Monza.
Hamilton may not be penalized but if he is, he still keeps 7th.
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Did you see Vettel shoot that official looking Monaco guy in the face wth Chamagne?
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tomazy wrote:I just don't get it, why they could work on the cars under red flag? This is a stupid rule.
Agreed. It gives a free pitstop and I was disappointed that this was allowed.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
FrukostScones wrote: I give Maldonando 27%.
Turned in on someone on the racing line – that's absolutely his fault.
Unless the person you're turning in to is Hamilton, apparently...
It was pretty clear Hamilton was, at least 3/4 down the car lengths of Maldonado, he should have seen him and gave Hamilton the space. No way this is Hamilton's fault, what else cxould hamilton do then? He could cut the corner -> penalty. He could also slam the brakes and take both of them out.

This was rally one of Hamilton's most unlucky weekends ever, he could go for pole in qualifying which chance was destroyed by Perez' crash. Then in the race he gets a penalty and gets involved in Carnage multiple times. I personally found the penalty a bit awkward, imo Hamilton would have never hit Massa there if Webber wasnt been there. Massa reacted on Webber, which was pretty close in contact, where Massa had to turn in a little bit more, which caused the contact.
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ringo wrote: Button disappoints again. Put hamilton in his place and that race would have been over after lap 60.
Nah. Button didn't put a foot wrong today. He was robbed of a likely win because of the first safety car. Hamilton went apes--t today and should be reprimanded.

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beelsebob wrote:
HampusA wrote:Webber i hope gets punished for that. He just divebombed, then forced Kamui out and could then take the position due to his own BS.

Kamui deserved that one and would have kept it if Webber hadn´t divebombed.

Also, AGAIN Vettel gets help from above.... Alonso would have taken him if the race hadt been red flagged. Sucks that they can put on fresh tires aswell.
Webber made the corner – if it had been a divebomb he would have missed the turn in.
BARELY made the corner, it was a clear divebomb. Had Kamui (who actually had slowed down enough to make the corner) taken the corner they would have collided.

Webber divebombed himself to 4th place. Way to go Webbo..
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tomazy wrote:I just don't get it, why they could work on the cars under red flag? This is a stupid rule.
As of the race start, the cars are no longer in Parc Ferme.
beelsebob wrote:
Fil wrote:VERY clever strategy swap by Red Bull when that first safety car came out (highly unlikely they planned him to go 1-stop from lap 16).

That gave Seb track position, and allowed him to be fortuitous with all the other safety car periods.

Very very clever work. =D>
I don't think it would have worked if the red flag hadn't happened... I guess we'll never know though.
Exactly. As the events happened, his team put him in the prime position to take advantage of everything that happened. Perfect.
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wesley123 wrote: Also I really do not understand what Sutil even did there, a hundred metres ago he hit the wall and by then he should already kow he would, at least, have a puncture. Yet he still goes on and causes complete carnage behind him.
it was algersuari who started the chain reaction. it would have been a complete stupidity to brake the car dead, he's p7, so it all paid off well.