Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[andrew]

It was a clean move so no foul at all. If there had been contact then the move could be called a dive bomb.

Ye Gods! Me defending Webber. Whatever next!

[andartop]

Button disappoints again. Put hamilton in his place and that race would have been over after lap 60.

...as he would have crashed onto Vettel taking both out of the race and handing Alonso the victory!

With an investigation - and likely penalty - still pending, and a long career ahead of him, Lewis will surely go down in history as the most punished F1 driver ever. =D>

[HampusA]

Man of the race in my opinion apart from Vettel who managed to fend of competitors was clearly Alonso. He started behind Button yet managed to end the race in front of him.

[Fil]

BARELY made the corner, it was a clear divebomb. Had Kamui (who actually had slowed down enough to make the corner) taken the corner they would have collided.

Webber divebombed himself to 4th place. Way to go Webbo..

This is joking? Or trying to bait others? (well, you got me)

This isn't a slot-car race. Of course Webber put his car in the way of Kobayashi. They are battling for track position! Kobayashi could've defended the inside line, but didn't and got passed. That's racing.

[HampusA]

It was a clean move so no foul at all. If there had been contact then the move could be called a dive bomb.

Ye Gods! Me defending Webber. Whatever next!

Not a clean move from any point of view. Webber missed his braking spot and thankfully Kamui noticed that and move out of the way.
Had he taken the corner it would be a collision.

To even call it a "clean" move is pretty funny. Lucky divebomb is what i call it.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Hamilton has gone berserk. I say DQ.

Stewards are investigating.

the boss is all screwed up

Would you say he was desperate?

Tough day at the office for the boss!

[HampusA]

BARELY made the corner, it was a clear divebomb. Had Kamui (who actually had slowed down enough to make the corner) taken the corner they would have collided.

Webber divebombed himself to 4th place. Way to go Webbo..

This is joking? Or trying to bait others? (well, you got me)

This isn't a slot-car race. Of course Webber put his car in the way of Kobayashi. They are battling for track position! Kobayashi could've defended the inside line, but didn't and got passed. That's racing.

Webber missed his braking spot by a MILE. KAmui noticed this before the collision would have happened and because of that Webber took Kamui after the chicane.

Dive bomb galore.

"Kobayashi could've defended the inside line, but didn't and got passed."
Now that is funny, are you sure you did not hear the race on the radio instead of the TV?

They would have collided... That´s the reason Kamui went straight instead.

[FrukostScones]

He could cut the corner -> penalty.

I think if you cut the corner to avoid a collision and stay behind, you don't get a penalty, as long as you don't do it like he once did in Spa.

For me Button is the man of the race!

[Fil]

HampusA, how do you miss a braking point (by a "MILE"), not lock up, and make the corner?


I can not believe a normal overtake is actually even being discussed.

[andrew]

Turned in on someone on the racing line – that's absolutely his fault.

I saw only one replay and it seemed to me that Mal didn't notice that he was there.

To be honest it is a tricky one.

Maldonado was committed to his line into turn 1 and could go no where. If he had moved off line he would have been on the marbles and would have likely gone off the track with no grip. Hamilton made a lunge, was off line and was probably unsighted by Maldonado.

Going on the assumption that Maldonado was on the correct line and would have made the corner and Hamilton was off line and practically T-boned him I would place the blame with Hamilton. As for a penalty, if this was an isolated incident a reprimand would suffice, but given his in race antics a more sterner penalty should be given.

I look forward to the FIAs ruling though.

[Gerhard Berger]

It was pretty clear Hamilton was, at least 3/4 down the car lengths of Maldonado, he should have seen him and gave Hamilton the space. No way this is Hamilton's fault, what else cxould hamilton do then? He could cut the corner -> penalty. He could also slam the brakes and take both of them out.

This was rally one of Hamilton's most unlucky weekends ever, he could go for pole in qualifying which chance was destroyed by Perez' crash. Then in the race he gets a penalty and gets involved in Carnage multiple times. I personally found the penalty a bit awkward, imo Hamilton would have never hit Massa there if Webber wasnt been there. Massa reacted on Webber, which was pretty close in contact, where Massa had to turn in a little bit more, which caused the contact.

Hamilton's car was about 1/4 the length down Maldonado, hence his front wheel Maldonado's rear wheel.

If he slammed on the brakes he would have avoided contact altogether, and if he cut the corner without gaining a place he probably wouldn't have got a penalty.

Things didn't work out for Hamilton, but he didn't drive very well at all. He spent too much time making silly moves, crashing into people and waving his hands at other drivers.

[wesley123]

It was a clean move so no foul at all. If there had been contact then the move could be called a dive bomb.

Ye Gods! Me defending Webber. Whatever next!

Not a clean move from any point of view. Webber missed his braking spot and thankfully Kamui noticed that and move out of the way.
Had he taken the corner it would be a collision.

To even call it a "clean" move is pretty funny. Lucky divebomb is what i call it.

No that is how overtaking works, you brake a bit later off line to overtake him. If that is a problem we better could start a parade, since every overtake would then be illegal.

This was an unexpected move yes, but on the other hand it was incredibly done and well placed.

He could cut the corner -> penalty.

I think if you cut the corner to avoid a collision and stay behind, you don't get a penalty, as long as you don't do it like he once did in Spa.

For me Button is the man of the race!

Hmm, you are right here mate, my mistake.

Anyway, it is awkward to see how safetycars and such things always seem to be working negatively for McLaren. Button simply drove great today, and if there wasnt this stupid rule that you are allowed to change tires in a red flag Button would have a big shot at victory here.

[HampusA]

HampusA, how do you miss a braking point (by a "MILE"), not lock up, and make the corner?


I can not believe a normal overtake is actually even being discussed.

Did you notice that Webber went straight, then when it was a few centimeters left got the grip back and turned in to round the kerb?

If Kamui would have gone into the corner with him he would have collided.

Webber missed his braking point by a mile and forced Kamui out.

If he would have make the corner he would not continue to brake in a straight line where a person who braked at the right spot would have turned in already.
He missed his braking spot and forced Kamui out, He then took advantage of that because Kamui wanted a whole car to the finish line.

[HampusA]

It was a clean move so no foul at all. If there had been contact then the move could be called a dive bomb.

Ye Gods! Me defending Webber. Whatever next!

Not a clean move from any point of view. Webber missed his braking spot and thankfully Kamui noticed that and move out of the way.
Had he taken the corner it would be a collision.

To even call it a "clean" move is pretty funny. Lucky divebomb is what i call it.

No that is how overtaking works, you brake a bit later off line to overtake him. If that is a problem we better could start a parade, since every overtake would then be illegal.

This was an unexpected move yes, but on the other hand it was incredibly done and well placed.

He could cut the corner -> penalty.

I think if you cut the corner to avoid a collision and stay behind, you don't get a penalty, as long as you don't do it like he once did in Spa.

For me Button is the man of the race!

Hmm, you are right here mate, my mistake.

Anyway, it is awkward to see how safetycars and such things always seem to be working negatively for McLaren. Button simply drove great today, and if there wasnt this stupid rule that you are allowed to change tires in a red flag Button would have a big shot at victory here.

No that´s not how overtaking works. When you on the inside line you brake EARLIER.
Why? Well because your first of all on the marbles, second of all your radius of taking the corner is MUCH narrower.

This is not point in arguing. For me he clearly missed his braking point and took advantage of Kamui´s quick reactions to not have a collision.

To even say that it was "clean" is laughable. Or even "well done"
The overtake was one of the worst executed i´ve ever seen in any form of Motorsport.

[wesley123]

It was pretty clear Hamilton was, at least 3/4 down the car lengths of Maldonado, he should have seen him and gave Hamilton the space. No way this is Hamilton's fault, what else cxould hamilton do then? He could cut the corner -> penalty. He could also slam the brakes and take both of them out.

This was rally one of Hamilton's most unlucky weekends ever, he could go for pole in qualifying which chance was destroyed by Perez' crash. Then in the race he gets a penalty and gets involved in Carnage multiple times. I personally found the penalty a bit awkward, imo Hamilton would have never hit Massa there if Webber wasnt been there. Massa reacted on Webber, which was pretty close in contact, where Massa had to turn in a little bit more, which caused the contact.

Hamilton's car was about 1/4 the length down Maldonado, hence his front wheel Maldonado's rear wheel.

If he slammed on the brakes he would have avoided contact altogether, and if he cut the corner without gaining a place he probably wouldn't have got a penalty.

If Hamilton slammed the brakes here he would have just slid forward into Maldonado, making it much worse. There was a lot of debris off racing line, so there barely was grip there, and certainly not enough to make a quick stop to avoid contact. 1/4 or 3/4 carlength doesnt matter that much, Maldonado should have given more space to Hamilton.