Changing tyres under a red flag

[beelsebob]

+1 I´m ok with Hamilton getting a new wing but not new tyres

Im with yourself, im against them changing the tyres, this firs and formost shouldnt be allowed.

However, as for Hamilton and his damage, this should be allowed as long as its only a front wing.

Really? Normally a front wing should be a long pit stop. If tyres need a short pit stop and shouldn't be changed on the red flag grid, why should front wings get away with it?

[andrew]

+1 I´m ok with Hamilton getting a new wing but not new tyres

Im with yourself, im against them changing the tyres, this firs and formost shouldnt be allowed.

However, as for Hamilton and his damage, this should be allowed as long as its only a front wing.

I do see how that is a contradiction of terms....

The contradiction is by your reckoning one driver has a race fit car however the rest don't. Hardly seems fair to me at all. Under normal circumstances, crash damage cannot be repaired without a massive loss unless it is a front wing which is relatively quick to change.

To me, it was wrong for anyone to get a free pitstop.

[smellybeard]

The obvious compromise is to allow cars to be worked on in the pit lane and allow them to rejoin after the last car on the 'park fermé' grid. However, I disagree with myself on such a compromise; strict park fermé should be enforced.

[beelsebob]

The obvious compromise is to allow cars to be worked on in the pit lane and allow them to rejoin after the last car on the 'park fermé' grid. However, I disagree with myself on such a compromise; strict park fermé should be enforced.

If I remember, the reason that cars aren't allowed to enter the pit lane is that the cause of a red flag is pretty commonly an accident in the pits, and they don't want to compound it.

[HampusA]

No change on cars no matter what it might be. whatever damage you have on your car is not the other drivers problems so i think parc ferme should be enforced during red flag.
Only tire warmers.

[lebesset]

looks like basic agreement on this

I would allow one thing ...they can fit tyre warmers ...hate to think what these cars are like on cold tyres , probably like driving on ice
that would be a no win/loss situation

[bidong]

For me, the best would be. During red flag, tire warmers should be okay. I also think that changing the car set up can be possible. Changing the amount of wing. But i dont think suspension should be touched. I think wing is enough.

Also, repairs can be done and tires can be changed when someone pits on a red flag situation (race to release the car at the end of the pit lane.), inevitably putting them at the tail of the field.

WHAT THE RED FLAG DOES NOT NEED:
(Repair on the grid) it saves their position.
(Change Tires on the grid) " "
Have backmarkers interrupting the restart. (I just dont know how to put them in proper order.)

[smellybeard]

If I remember, the reason that cars aren't allowed to enter the pit lane is that the cause of a red flag is pretty commonly an accident in the pits, and they don't want to compound it.

Yes but...
There could just as easily be an accident on the grid area as in the pits. It is not difficult to work out a procedure that is functionally identical but does not use the actual pitlane if it's not available.

The disastrous conclusion of Monaco was just another illustration at the contrived excitement that F1 tries to substitute for real racing. It was a direct result of the similarly disastrous contrived exciting conclusion of last year's 'race'. Until the media dimwits learn that contrived excitement isn't everything, we'll see this again and again.

[ESPImperium]

For me, the best would be. During red flag, tire warmers should be okay. I also think that changing the car set up can be possible. Changing the amount of wing. But i dont think suspension should be touched. I think wing is enough.

Also, repairs can be done and tires can be changed when someone pits on a red flag situation (race to release the car at the end of the pit lane.), inevitably putting them at the tail of the field.

WHAT THE RED FLAG DOES NOT NEED:
(Repair on the grid) it saves their position.
(Change Tires on the grid) " "
Have backmarkers interrupting the restart. (I just dont know how to put them in proper order.)

After reading most posts on this thread, i think there is an general aggreement that;

1] Tyres should not be changed what so ever - but warmers applied to keep the heat in the tyres as much as posible.

2] Repairs like Hamiltons shouldn not be allowed as well as it saves a race for him.

3] The cars should be put back into posistion order to avoid backmarkers ballsing things up.

Howver, id like to raise a couple more points;

A] Would it be fair for a driver that needs a repair to come into the pits to get the repair and start from the pit lane after the last car has gone past when the Safety Car takes the pack away from the red flag restart??

B] If we are to have the pack in race order at a red flag restart, why not do the same after a safety car period like what happened pre 2010?? Yes it takes time to get this to happen, posibly another lap or two of a Safety Car period, but the way i see it is this. If the top 10 or 12 are in race order, why not release them and them only?? If there is a small pack a sector behind, why not tell them they can race from the next sector line??

[Just_a_fan]

There could just as easily be an accident on the grid area as in the pits. It is not difficult to work out a procedure that is functionally identical but does not use the actual pitlane if it's not available.

Actually, a couple of years ago they ran the safety car + pack through the pit lane when the straight was closed by an accident. I should think that is why they don't want cars jumping for the pit lane - they might need to keep it free for the safety car train.

[Just_a_fan]

After reading stuff on here, it seems to me that people want to change the rules every time they find something not to their personal liking.

The safety car and red flag rules are the way they are because they are trying to balance safety and the race. In these cases, safety must come first.

There is no evidence that had the race tyres been maintained that there would have been any change in the result. Nor indeed whether the front 3 would have even tried anything - they would know the likelihood in Monaco is that a shunt will happen if you try against a very defensive driver.

Those with good memories will remember Mansell and Senna. Mansell on new tyres with the best car in the field against Senna on old tyres. No way past and Mansell was one of the best overtaking racers there have been.

[HampusA]

A, yea i think that would be a viable option, atleast they take some form of punishment for fixing their car when the race isn´t running.

B, To complicated i think, better to just tell the leader to not gun it 3 corners before.
Better to enforce a rule saying you can´t gun away from the field before the last corner.
Vettel is famous for doing this, he pulled out several car lengths by holding everyone up then gunning it. It´s a smart thing to do for sure but not very entertaining.

[smellybeard]

Actually, a couple of years ago they ran the safety car + pack through the pit lane when the straight was closed by an accident. I should think that is why they don't want cars jumping for the pit lane - they might need to keep it free for the safety car train.

Nope. Under a red flag there wouldn't be a safety car train running. Methinks the traditional reason for using the grid area is that the red flag or crossed flags originally were only shown by the clark of the course a the start and finish line and it was forbidden to pass it.

[SiLo]

This rule does need to be changed, and they should enforce parc ferme conditions on all cars. Parc ferme does allow some changes but I think it has to be logged or something, not sure though.

I don't think Vettel would of been so lucky if they couldn't change the tyres, there is nothing better than complete uncertainty in the last 6 laps of a grand prix

[tpe]

Have backmarkers interrupting the restart. (I just dont know how to put them in proper order.)

Do a formation lap behind the SC and the cars would be in their proper position. Then, SC enters pits and race starts after the 1st car crosses the start/finish line.