Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[HampusA]

A guy with a lot of sponsorship money

Yes, but also a very fast driver who won the GP2 championship last year with Perez the runner-up.

I do not think you have any farms in Venezuela to speak of.

I don´t think you understand what i wrote.

Well this isnt destruction derby you know. It was pretty clear in the vid posted that Maldonado just turns in and pretty much expects Hamilton to 'avoid an unavoidable collision' when Maldonado turns in Hamilton already started turning in trying to avoid the collision. I still cannot understand how Hamilton can avoid this collision when it is clear Maldonado drives into you.

No --- sherlock, that´s why Hamilton, the super energetic racer should have backed of because it clearly was the wrong moment to overtake Maldonado.

Maldonado turns in because the turn goes that way. Are you implying that he should make a left instead because Hamilton is close to him?
You can´t just stick your car in like that and expect someone to move.

Hamilton took a chance that never really existed. Just think for a second..
Why would Maldonado turn in on Hamilton? Why? makes no sense since the outcome of it would be that Maldo´s car would hit the wall first.
He did a spectacular race but it got ruined by a optimistic Hamilton which we know took alot risks and chances that day because of things that happened the day before.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It would be interesting to compare Hamilton's move on Maldonado with his move on Schumacher.

My memory is that Schumacher gave him room to avoid the collision, while Maldonado didn't deviate from his usual line, hence the collision.

It is interesting that the wise old head managed to deal with the bullying move by Hamilton, but the inexperienced Maldonado failed to see how it would play out.

That's the thing about making aggressive moves, they rely on the other person to have the experience to recognise what you are doing.

and @ Beelsebob
Disagree guys! Why should Maldonado have deviated from the only racing line in that section when Hamilton was still behind him ?. The only way Maldanado could have avoided the accident was to lift and let Hamilton through. It was an over-optomistic move which caused Lewis to jump the curb and plow Pastor into the barrier tight on the left side of the track.
Pastor needed to asert himself in that situation as he is still trying to keep his seat. If he lifted it would have been a sign of weakness of will, and desire JMHO
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtXdVbe ... ture=feedu[/youtube]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

[Mr Alcatraz]

The problem started because Hamilton had enough pace to pull alongside on the short straight, so Schumacher and Maldonado were forced onto the back foot.

The optimum line would be slightly tighter than Schumacher's to force Hamilton to cut the apex and hit that cone. Hamilton would have then have to concede the place or take a drive though penalty for cutting the corner.

I don't think that I've seen a replay of Mike's line you are referring to. However Hamilton still had a chance to take to the island to the right if he realized that PM meant business and, avoided the collision. That is if he had enough grip to turn that far right, which he would have if he surrendered the attempted pass a split second earlier. Sorry to beat a dead horse but I can't lay the blame squarely on PM here. I'll agree to disagree however

[wesley123]

No --- sherlock, that´s why Hamilton, the super energetic racer should have backed of because it clearly was the wrong moment to overtake Maldonado.

then it always has to be a wrong moment to overtake Maldonado since Hamilton made exact the same move on Schumacher earlier in the race.

Maldonado turns in because the turn goes that way. Are you implying that he should make a left instead because Hamilton is close to him?
You can´t just stick your car in like that and expect someone to move.

No way that the turn goes that way, Maldonado should have gave Hamilton some space, which he did not.

Hamilton took a chance that never really existed. Just think for a second..

No an overtaking chance will never ever exist if you just start driving into someone else to 'defend your position' He did the same thing with Schuey where Schuey gave space, why couldnt Maldonado do that?

Why would Maldonado turn in on Hamilton? Why? makes no sense since the outcome of it would be that Maldo´s car would hit the wall first.

Because he has not seen him, because he thought there was the space, because he was blocking him on puirpose cexpecting Hamilton to slam on his brakes.

He did a spectacular race but it got ruined by a optimistic Hamilton which we know took alot risks and chances that day because of things that happened the day before.

If Maldonado just gave some space he would have finished the race, it is his own fault, not Hamiltons, he ruined the race by himself, it wasnt ruined by Hamilton.

[i70q7m7ghw]

No --- sherlock, that´s why Hamilton, the super energetic racer should have backed of because it clearly was the wrong moment to overtake Maldonado.

Maldonado turns in because the turn goes that way. Are you implying that he should make a left instead because Hamilton is close to him?
You can´t just stick your car in like that and expect someone to move.

Hamilton took a chance that never really existed. Just think for a second..
Why would Maldonado turn in on Hamilton? Why? makes no sense since the outcome of it would be that Maldo´s car would hit the wall first.
He did a spectacular race but it got ruined by a optimistic Hamilton which we know took alot risks and chances that day because of things that happened the day before.

Yet another armchair driver that seems to think drivers can just "back out" of an overtaking move done under braking. Hamilton might have been wrong to make a move there, but once the move was made there was no backing out, there's no such thing as "press the brake a bit harder", this isn't like driving your hatchback.

Once Lewis had made the move it was clear Maldonado moved over, an experienced driver would have recognised that Lewis was never going to be able to stop that thing. If Maldonado wanted to defend that corner, he should have defended it before Lewis made his move.

The failing on Lewis's part was probably not considering that a rookie might not read the situation correctly.

[andrew]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

He wouldn't have cut the corner if he wasn't driven into. Hamilton hits Maldonado and gives Maldonado extra steering that he never knew he had. It would have been a typical line if he wasn't being pushed.

[i70q7m7ghw]

The problem started because Hamilton had enough pace to pull alongside on the short straight, so Schumacher and Maldonado were forced onto the back foot.

The optimum line would be slightly tighter than Schumacher's to force Hamilton to cut the apex and hit that cone. Hamilton would have then have to concede the place or take a drive though penalty for cutting the corner.

I don't think that I've seen a replay of Mike's line you are referring to. However Hamilton still had a chance to take to the island to the right if he realized that PM meant business and, avoided the collision. That is if he had enough grip to turn that far right, which he would have if he surrendered the attempted pass a split second earlier. Sorry to beat a dead horse but I can't lay the blame squarely on PM here. I'll agree to disagree however

I agree that the blame is not all on PM, in my eyes it is most definately 50/50.

[i70q7m7ghw]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

He wouldn't have cut the corner if he wasn't driven into. Hamilton hits Maldonado and gives Maldonado extra steering that he never knew he had. It would have been a typical line if he wasn't being pushed.

He's already riding the curb before Lewis makes contact.

[andrew]

He's already riding the curb before Lewis makes contact.

No he's not. Look at the video above. Contact is well before the kerb.

[Mr Alcatraz]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

BS everyone tries to put two wheels on that curb. That short video is not representative of all cars taking a correct line through that corner. But I would like to see one that is if you can produce one!

[i70q7m7ghw]

Just before, but PM's attitude is such that he was aiming to cut the curb. There is probably a microsecond there were Lewis could have chosen to cut the corner, I'm not sure if he would have had the grip to do it though.

[i70q7m7ghw]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

BS everyone tries to put two wheels on that curb. That short video is not representative of all cars taking a correct line through that corner. But I would like to see one that is if you can produce one!

Look at where the HRT turns in, near the shadow of the lampost. Now look at where PM turns it, much earlier. Tighter line. Thanks.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Just before, but PM's attitude is such that he was aiming to cut the curb. There is probably a microsecond there were Lewis could have chosen to cut the corner, I'm not sure if he would have had the grip to do it though.

It was an optimistic move, and as I said earlier if LH decided to get out of it a second sooner he probably could have decelerated enough to avoid the accident to the right. It happened, it’s history. I think I’ll put my opinions on this incident to rest. I’ve said all I have to say………I think

[HampusA]

That video is conclusive, thanks. Maldonado actually cuts the corner defending his position. His line through the corner was not a typical line, watch the other cars previous.

Are you serious? Maldo cuts the apex PERFECTLY. Hamilton is on the inside trying to minimise the damage of his very badly judged overtake move.

[HampusA]

No --- sherlock, that´s why Hamilton, the super energetic racer should have backed of because it clearly was the wrong moment to overtake Maldonado.

Maldonado turns in because the turn goes that way. Are you implying that he should make a left instead because Hamilton is close to him?
You can´t just stick your car in like that and expect someone to move.

Hamilton took a chance that never really existed. Just think for a second..
Why would Maldonado turn in on Hamilton? Why? makes no sense since the outcome of it would be that Maldo´s car would hit the wall first.
He did a spectacular race but it got ruined by a optimistic Hamilton which we know took alot risks and chances that day because of things that happened the day before.

Yet another armchair driver that seems to think drivers can just "back out" of an overtaking move done under braking. Hamilton might have been wrong to make a move there, but once the move was made there was no backing out, there's no such thing as "press the brake a bit harder", this isn't like driving your hatchback.

Once Lewis had made the move it was clear Maldonado moved over, an experienced driver would have recognised that Lewis was never going to be able to stop that thing. If Maldonado wanted to defend that corner, he should have defended it before Lewis made his move.

The failing on Lewis's part was probably not considering that a rookie might not read the situation correctly.

Where have i said he should "hit the brakes more" or cut the corner for instance?

I´m saying he judged his overtaking manouver so wrong it´s scary. There was never any space for him to overtake and it´s 100% Hamiltons fault for causing Maldos crash.