Lauda calls on FIA to act against Hamilton

[Just_a_fan]

Button sees things differently to Lauda...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 755503.stm

[zeph]

Odd – button admitted fault too, and the FIA said it was his fault

...nor have the FIA, and in fact, after Canada, they said the major crash was JB's fault, not LH's.

You're so full of it, all false.

"The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton's position to his left.

"Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a 'racing incident' and have taken no further action."

This thread is about Lauda's comments. Stop trolling.

As for skitzi Lauda go get your brain scanned, as you forgot your own past.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcE7sHSfi4w[/youtube]

Actually, in this scenario Lauda is more like Button and Pironi like Hamilton, but I get your point.

[andrew]

I'm trying to work out who has the bigger persecution complex. Hamilton or his fanatical fans? It is a concern.

[beelsebob]

"Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a 'racing incident' and have taken no further action."

This thread is about Lauda's comments. Stop trolling.

It's absolutely relevant – Lauda's comments were based off the idea that Hamilton did something dangerous. The FIA say he's talking bollocks, so we can (to a certain extent) ignore him.

As for skitzi Lauda go get your brain scanned, as you forgot your own past.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcE7sHSfi4w[/youtube]

Actually, in this scenario Lauda is more like Button and Pironi like Hamilton, but I get your point.[/quote]
I thought it had more relevance to the Mandy crash tbh, which also contributed to Lauda's comments. Notably, the BBC commentators have said they were wrong, and they think it was Mandy's fault. I expect the FIA wouldn't do that even if they wanted to.

From what I see, Lauda wouldn't (and didn't) do any differently to what Hamilton has done, and is bandwaggoning on the recent "lets bash hamilton" fad.

[marcush.]

lauda is a controversial bastard .He speaks out loud even when he is not really informed and airs his personal views.Nothing more nothing less.I don´t think we should take this too serious.

[strad]

It's not that he has had accidents...It's his attitude that he can do no wrong, when in fact almost every incident was on his shoulders.
It's, I think, got to do with his sense of privilege. HIS EGO.

[andrew]

Correct Strad. I don't think Lauda is acting like his s*** doesn't stink. He does come accross as someone whose feet are firmly planted on the ground and isn't above admitting his own mistakes - and that is the key.

If Hamilton would just start taking responsibility for his mistakes without it sounding like crocodile tears he may start to win over a few of his doubters.

Niki Lauda is basically saying the same thing as Jackie Stewart and Emerson Fittipaldi, only he isn't going for the softly softly approach, he is justy his usual blunt self.

[beelsebob]

It's not that he has had accidents...It's his attitude that he can do no wrong, when in fact almost every incident was on his shoulders.
It's, I think, got to do with his sense of privilege. HIS EGO.

So far, he's been responsible for 2 incidents this season if you believe the BBC commentators, 3 if you believe the FIA. He's accepted responsibility for all of them. I don't see the issue.

[ringo]

Alonso into Button was more dangerous.

Lauda is not wrong to criticize, but when you go as far to say the guy is going to get people killed, just to suit your agenda of banning the guy from the sport. Then you simply have a personal issue.
The drivers disagree with him.

He best focus his energy on race control allowing cars speeding around the track with yellows when stewards are in the track. Now that could get people killed.

But he overlooks that and focuses on the guy who might posibly be in a certain austrian seat next year; threatening. ( don don don Conspiracy!!! )


Can't believe people are defending this bitter guy. Emerson, Stewart had more sensible things to say.

I can't wait for the next race, i want to hear what he has to say.

[beelsebob]

Odd – button admitted fault too, and the FIA said it was his fault

...nor have the FIA, and in fact, after Canada, they said the major crash was JB's fault, not LH's.

You're so full of it, all false.

Prove it – the actual FIA stewards report states that Hamilton had a speed advantage, a legitimate overtaking opportunity, and every reason to believe button had seen him. It cites nothing that he did wrong.

[747heavy]

"What Hamilton did there goes beyond all boundaries," Lauda, who was commentating on the race for German TV, said. "He is completely mad. If the FIA does not punish him, I do not understand the world any more. At some point there has to be an end to all the jokes. You cannot drive like this … as it will result in someone getting killed."

http://en.espnf1.com/canada/motorsport/story/51550.html

Sorry for bringing up a "technical issue" in this heated debate.
Lauda, never said, what has been attributed to him.

The posted report, is a good example for the current level of journalim, one finds in the internet, and should make you reluctant, to take everything at face value, which get´s reported.

In the German original broadcast he said:

"
Ich bin eigentlich Hamilton-Fan, aber was er da aufführt, geht über alle Grenzen hinaus. Der ist komplett wahnsinnig", schimpfte der RTL-Experte: "Wenn die FIA ihn jetzt nicht bestraft, verstehe ich die Welt nicht mehr. Irgendwo hört der Spaß auf. So kann man nicht fahren, da kann es Tote geben."

even a brain dead internet translation robot, is able to translate the meaning of what he said correctly.

I am, actually, a Hamilton fan, but what he performs there, goes out all borders. He is completely mad ', got angry the RTL expert: ' If now the FIA does not punish him, I understand the world no more. Somewhere the fun stops. Thus one cannot go, there can be dead people. '

I guess, that tells you something about the journalistic ethics and intellect involved.
In a bit more rounded English you would (can) say.

" You (just) can´t drive like this, someone (or people) can (could) get killed."

Which, at least IMHO, is not such an outlandish statement, as the possibilty is allways there.
But it would not have the same ring to it, and would cause a lot less attention and controversy.
That´s allways the risk with the truth, sometimes it does not help sell papers or generate page views.

Nevertheless, enjoy your debate, I´m sure Tomba is happy, for this once "Technical Forum" to descent onto a similar intellectual level, as we can see across so many threads now.

[PlatinumZealot]

As the American's say Lauda Hates Hamilton's guts. He always did.

"Hamilton will get somebody killed!"

Sounds baseless,ignorant, abusive, stupid and filled with hatred to me.

Haterz high and low.

[zeph]

Odd – button admitted fault too, and the FIA said it was his fault

...nor have the FIA, and in fact, after Canada, they said the major crash was JB's fault, not LH's.

You're so full of it, all false.

Prove it – the actual FIA stewards report states that Hamilton had a speed advantage, a legitimate overtaking opportunity, and every reason to believe button had seen him. It cites nothing that he did wrong.

Your claim that the FIA has said it was Button's fault is a lie. And you know it. You prove it.

And stop lying. Here and in the Canada GP thread. It is disgraceful.

[beelsebob]

Your claim that the FIA has said it was Button's fault is a lie. And you know it. You prove it.

And stop lying. Here and in the Canada GP thread. It is disgraceful.

1) The stewards report states that Button's move was what caused the accident.
2) It states that they don't think Button saw hamilton making it a racing incident.

Conclusion: Hamilton did nothing wrong at all, Button absolutely did, but not knowingly. The rule about causing accidents is about doing so knowingly, so there's no reason to punish anyone.

In relation to this thread though; the issue is that people are trying to use this crash as an example of Hamilton's dangerous driving. The FIA categorically stated that it was in no way dangerous, it was a legitimate overtaking opportunity that went sadly wrong.

[Dragonfly]

I'va said this before, will say it again.
As much as I like Hamilton's pure driving abilities, I don't like his mentality and personality. He's not a teen anymore but shows to be quite immature. And maybe the fact that the easy years at McLaren have gone and he has to beat his teammate makes him psychologically unstable.
Please don't mention 2007, it's not relevant and was an easy time for him again.

In relation to this thread though; the issue is that people are trying to use this crash as an example of Hamilton's dangerous driving. The FIA categorically stated that it was in no way dangerous, it was a legitimate overtaking opportunity that went sadly wrong.

In those wet conditions a thinking driver should:
- have a big exclamation mark and a blinking "caution"in his head, because it's his teammate in front
- make sure his teammate has seen him and there's a gap.