Martin Whitmarsh has to go!

[internetf1fan]

What is he thinking? Ever since he took over McLaren he's done nothing but to shoot themselves in the foot. At least Ron knew what it took to win championships.

MW on the other hand is too nice. They had the best KERS package in 2009 but then joined FOTA and refused to carry over it to 2010 when it would have been perfectly legal.

And now, MW pushed for the regulation change even though he must have known that it would hurt McLaren the most. Why is McLaren still in FOTA in the first place? Isn't FOTA there to prevent something like this happening? FOTA has been completely useless. MW should be fighting for his team and not for the benefits of others.

Due to MW, McLaren is now behind Ferrari in pace and soon McLaren will lose their second place in the WCC.

Well done MW, well done.

[wesley123]

ow please, get your facts right before you post this. you havent done any research whatsoever, and it doesnt seem you know what the FOTA does, why it is important etc.

Also never knew Martin withmarsh designed the cars, he has the daily hand in the team.

And apart from that, is it more likely that they dont win because of withmarsh' lack of management skill or is it the mighty red bulls that cause this?

Seriously, get your facts right and at least think

[internetf1fan]

1) FOTA was meant to prevent exactly this sort of dirty laundry in public issue. FOTA has been useless evern since it was formed.
2) MW runs the team. If he's going to push for regulation change, then it's his responsiblity to first find out how badly it's going to affect his team. If he didn't do this, then he has to go. If he did, and he got the answer from his team that they were going to be badly hit, but STILL pushed for the regulation change, then he has to go.

[wesley123]

1) FOTA was meant to prevent exactly this sort of dirty laundry in public issue. FOTA has been useless evern since it was formed.

The FOTA was formed as a group that discusses the hearts of F1 teasm, what they want. Much like there is for the drivers, nothing more and nothing less. It allows the teams to unite as one big group and to discuss certain rules they want.

2) MW runs the team. If he's going to push for regulation change, then it's his responsiblity to first find out how badly it's going to affect his team. If he didn't do this, then he has to go. If he did, and he got the answer from his team that they were going to be badly hit, but STILL pushed for the regulation change, then he has to go.

Okay, if he is so bad, why is it that if you take away the Red Bulls they were mostly in first place this year and also last year? The Red Bulls are unbeatable ad you know that. Instead of a hate thread towards withmarsh you should have made one that spews hate on all the other teambosses or one that praises horner as a new god, ridiculous to go at Withmarsh alone.

This withmarsh is the same guy that with his team made a dog of a car that had a hard time in Q2 to the fastest car of the grid. Is it because McLaren did a good job or the rest suddenly became slower?

[Nickel]

This is stupid. I wish I could get my 30 seconds back from reading it. Fota is not meant to hide dirty laundry, just to push the interests of ALL the teams. Whitmarsh being the chair, simply pushes the agenda voted by the members of FOTA. It's not like he's the Darth Vader of FOTA and can use it to manipulate the championship. Get a grip.

Also, considering McLaren's pre-season form, I'd say they're doing well enough. I believe it was your beloved Ron Dennis who lost them Newey wasn't it?

Being at the top is a fickle thing, and you would do well to not let your love of one team cloud your judgment.

[i70q7m7ghw]

internetf1fan has to go!

[internetf1fan]

Okay, if he is so bad, why is it that if you take away the Red Bulls they were mostly in first place this year and also last year? The Red Bulls are unbeatable ad you know that. Instead of a hate thread towards withmarsh you should have made one that spews hate on all the other teambosses or one that praises horner as a new god, ridiculous to go at Withmarsh alone.

This withmarsh is the same guy that with his team made a dog of a car that had a hard time in Q2 to the fastest car of the grid. Is it because McLaren did a good job or the rest suddenly became slower?

Did you not read my point? Why was he pushing for a regulation change that would effectively put their 2nd place in the WCC at very high risk? Does he not care about McLaren? Did he not ask his team how the changes would affect the peformance of their car?

Let's see how long FOTA lasts. Ferrari will clearly disagree to go back to the Valencia specs and so will probably Williams. MW will look like a fool with his flip flopping and will effectively lose his respect as the head of FOTA, while Red Bull will force to go back to the previous specs.

You argue MW should be applaued for coming second in the past years? I would argue that he should be sacked for not giving McLAren the chance to come first. Getting rid of KERS for 2010. Pushing these new regulations hurting McLaren. Getting into bed with other teams etc etc.

[wesley123]

Did you not read my point? Why was he pushing for a regulation change that would effectively put their 2nd place in the WCC at very high risk? Does he not care about McLaren? Did he not ask his team how the changes would affect the peformance of their car?

Hmm i thought it was the FIA who put and end to the blown diffuser. Aaprt from that, without they would fall back too, they were behind in Valncia too

Let's see how long FOTA lasts. Ferrari will clearly disagree to go back to the Valencia specs and so will probably Williams. MW will look like a fool with his flip flopping and will effectively lose his respect as the head of FOTA, while Red Bull will force to go back to the previous specs.

It now already lasts 3 years, teams always wil have different things they want and need then others, so they will discuss it.

You argue MW should be applaued for coming second in the past years? I would argue that he should be sacked for not giving McLAren the chance to come first. Getting rid of KERS for 2010. Pushing these new regulations hurting McLaren. Getting into bed with other teams etc etc.

seriously you do not know any thing it seems. you know why he got rid of KERS in 2010? because he and the FOTA all decided not to run it due to costs and reliability, live with it.

But seriously, answer my question, why is this a topic with only hate to Withmarsh? What is he doing wrong compared to other teams who are even further behind? I do not see why you need to spit this hate around Withmarsh only when Boullier(or w/e you spell it) has fallen back way further, when domenicali has to fire half his staff for making a crappy car. So explain me why Withmarsh deserves this hate when others are doing way worse. for example why not Brawn? He deserves this way more, making a car not working at all for 2 years in a row now, or why not Malliya? his team felt back too.

So explain me, what makes withmarsh deserve this hatred more compared to others?

[munudeges]

I think rather than getting Jensen and Lewis living the lives of fashion models and running around on jet skis they should be concentrating on other more important matters. If their performance in qualifying really has been badly affected by what happened with all the lobbying then what the hell are they playing at? Wasting a set of soft tyres was also a totally ludicrous decision.

In all honesty though, this kind of thing happened long before Whitmarsh took over.

[internetf1fan]

But seriously, answer my question, why is this a topic with only hate to Withmarsh? What is he doing wrong compared to other teams who are even further behind? I do not see why you need to spit this hate around Withmarsh only when Boullier(or w/e you spell it) has fallen back way further, when domenicali has to fire half his staff for making a crappy car. So explain me why Withmarsh deserves this hate when others are doing way worse. for example why not Brawn? He deserves this way more, making a car not working at all for 2 years in a row now, or why not Malliya? his team felt back too.

It's not the question of falling back. It's a question of why they're falling back. Ferrari for example do everything they can to maximise their chances, see team orders last year. They know that team orders are necessary. Ron knows this too, and that's why McLaren won the WDC in 2008.

On the other hand we have MW shooting McLaren chances of doing anything. Pushing for regulations that would hurt McLaren. Going to bed with other teams without gaining anything in return.

[wesley123]

But seriously, answer my question, why is this a topic with only hate to Withmarsh? What is he doing wrong compared to other teams who are even further behind? I do not see why you need to spit this hate around Withmarsh only when Boullier(or w/e you spell it) has fallen back way further, when domenicali has to fire half his staff for making a crappy car. So explain me why Withmarsh deserves this hate when others are doing way worse. for example why not Brawn? He deserves this way more, making a car not working at all for 2 years in a row now, or why not Malliya? his team felt back too.

It's not the question of falling back. It's a question of why they're falling back. Ferrari for example do everything they can to maximise their chances, see team orders last year. They know that team orders are necessary. Ron knows this too, and that's why McLaren wont the WDC in 2008.

On the other hand we have MW shooting McLaren chances of eoing anything. Pushing for regulations that would hurt McLaren. Going to bed with other teams without gaining anything in return.

you havent answered my question mister and aprt from that you come with things you have said 4 times before already, so just answer my question in what way it is a problem that Withmarsh does this, but others do the same and that isnt a problem, explain that to me

[internetf1fan]

but others do the same and that isnt a problem, explain that to me

The thing is... they don't. Have you ever seen Ferrari push for a regulation that would hurt their car? Have you ever seen Ferrari refuse to use team orders when its necessary? No, Ferrari, do everything for themselves. The way MW acts on the other hand often seems like he doesn't have McLarens best interest at heart.

[wesley123]

but others do the same and that isnt a problem, explain that to me

The thing is... they don't. Have you ever seen Ferrari push for a regulation that would hurt their car? Have you ever seen Ferrari refuse to use team orders when its necessary? No, Ferrari, do everything for themselves. The way MW acts on the other hand often seems like he doesn't have McLarens best interest at heart.

okay in waht way isnt Domenicali not 'sleeping with other teams'? They are doing the same as Withmarsh does in the fota! how is it wrong for withmarsh but not for them? It is just stupid what you are saing and can barely be called serious

[internetf1fan]

Because Domenicali doesn't allow FOTA to control Ferrari. He uses FOTA to control the other teams instead. MW behaves like a pawn of FOTA.

As for doing what's best for McLaren, Ferrari for example would have used team order if they were in the same position in Canada. MW on the other hand just allows the two cars to race and look at what happens. Absolute disgrace.

[internetf1fan]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/07/09/fia- ... ams-agree/

We will see Whitmarshes true colours. Either way, he will either appear a flip flopper or be seen acting against McLarens best interests.

edit: We'll also see what FOTA is all about.