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I just wish we got the coverage the Brits do here in the US. :( We get a cut down grid walk, no real interviews, and cut down podium and after the race press conference coverage. I'd love to get the same level you guys do!

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It really is rather simple. Bernie has decided he can squeeze an extra £25m (annual fee up from £40m to £65m) by switching to subscription TV. He's passing £1m of that to each team, so that's £12m. The other £12m has gone into Bernie's pockets.

That cash comes from Sky who get revenue from advertisers and subscribers. It is Sky's gamble that they can make the numbers add up.

Bernie has decided to charge UK fans an extra £500-ish per year for the privilege.

According to Sky this extra cost is "fantastic for fans", and Whitmarsh thinks it is OK, and Joe Saward thinks it is a win-win situation. I wonder what those three would think if I slapped them with a £500 bill for something they used to get included with basic utilities? That is what is really peeing me off. I'd rather they were honest and said "stuff you, I'm charging you £500 to watch my game" rather than all this crap about how great it is for the fans.

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Yeah really. You guys already pay for the TV license and they think it's a good idea to ask for more money for the same coverage? ....
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Pup wrote:
doink wrote:That said and in response to your question, Sky will pump an obscene amount of money and resource into the coverage and will most likely to a great job of it, like they have done with the cricket (I still think that should live on c4, even if for just ashes series). The money they pump into it will mean that it'll cost more for the rights. That's just the way it is.
The feeds come from FOM, not Sky. What Sky spends has no bearing on the cost of broadcast rates in the US.
Yes it does.. FOM don't have their own feed, surely - they pass on sky's feed. ..
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horse wrote:I tell you it will do the economy no good as I was going to invest in a big HD Freeview TV for next season and now I am not.
Joking aside, that is one of the reasons that I am P***ed off. When it was announced last year that F1 would be in HD on the BBC until the end of 2012, I persuaded myself (and the missus) that this was a sound investment, so I forked out £300 plus for a freview HD PVR, and a new TV at over a grand, and now I learn that the BAFTA winning F1 reporting team are going to provide only half a job for one of the two years previously mentioned.

I think that the BBC went to MrE and said something along the lines of "We can't afford to pay for the last year of our agreed contract, what can you do?" and MrE said "Well, you'd best club together with someone else", and rather than let it go to Channel 4 the BBC thought... "hmmm, Murdoch isn't popular at the moment but has a fat wallet, let's approach him"

End result, Beeb doing half a job, comitted fans like me who refuse to line Murdoch's pockets look elsewhere for their entertainment, sponsors will be less interested, but it's OK, those who chose to pay thrice for their TV (Adverts, Subscription to SKY and TV license) can watch.

Seems like an odd choice to me, but we'll see how it pans out. I will miss F1 (I will not watch the half BBC coverage, there is no point for me, it'd be like going on a date with a pricktease) and I will miss commenting on here.

Why should the lowest common denominator be the way forward? Why should WE lower our standards to match those of the rest of the world, when the rest of the world admires our service (I point you to the amount of countries in which the BBC output is sold and the numerous international awards they have won for this).

Frankly, I feel that the BBC should have pulled out of F1 altogether for 2012 and see how that left MrE. I object to a proportion of my license fee being wasted on covering half of the races, which is of absolutely no use to me. And yes, I do feel that I have the right to say this, since the BBC is funded by me, and every other license fee payer.

And finally a message to Pup, while I agree that almost every other country in the world has it "worse than us", and I understand why you might think we're whining about this unreasonably, I would just say this. Some time ago, when Petrol in the UK hit the equivalent of ten US dollars a gallon, I found a US based forum discussing fuel costs, and found everyone moaning about paying 5 dollars a gallon. I pointed out that actually, that's half what we pay and was told in no uncertain terms that things are different and you can't compare apples with oranges, well the same is true in this case. Just because your country's setup is different and you have to pay twice for everything, does not mean that is the best way to do things.
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Ray wrote:I just wish we got the coverage the Brits do here in the US. :( We get a cut down grid walk, no real interviews, and cut down podium and after the race press conference coverage. I'd love to get the same level you guys do!
Do at the moment!

We won't be getting it from the end of this year!
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Did anyone else notice that the BBC coverage had NO Mention of the important news? Perhaps they are all treating this as their job interview with Sky?

I did notice however three things which hinted at their discontent:
- Martin Brundle made a comment about some drivers being "in front of us in the job centre queue".
- Jake, at last knockings said "it's a funny old thing with Formula One, just as you think you're getting one thing, you end up with somethng completely different".
- The closing music to the show was "It aint over till it's over" by Lenny Kravitz.

Not sure about the meaning of the last one, they're either saying "watch until the end of the season, lots of things might change so let's see what happens", or they're saying "We haven't finished yet, we'll do our best until the end of the season."

Or perhaps I am reading too much into it!
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Ray wrote:Yeah really. You guys already pay for the TV license and they think it's a good idea to ask for more money for the same coverage? ....
Thanks Ray for your support.

It sucks!

On the plus side (for some of you on here!) this will very likely mean that I no longer take part in this forum.

Incidentally this will have a bearing on the exposure of this site's advertisers, at least by a factor of one.

Has anyone got an address for MrE? I might write him a letter.
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I have to agree with the above, I bought a HD box earlier this year specifically to watch F1 in HD, so I'm miffed its of little use to me after F1 goes to Sky.

Out of curiosity, is Setanta available in the UK?

They have the contract for the Irish F1 coverage at the moment. Could be a cheaper option to Sky Sports?

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forty-two wrote:Did anyone else notice that the BBC coverage had NO Mention of the important news? Perhaps they are all treating this as their job interview with Sky?

I did notice however three things which hinted at their discontent:
- Martin Brundle made a comment about some drivers being "in front of us in the job centre queue".
- Jake, at last knockings said "it's a funny old thing with Formula One, just as you think you're getting one thing, you end up with somethng completely different".
- The closing music to the show was "It aint over till it's over" by Lenny Kravitz.

Not sure about the meaning of the last one, they're either saying "watch until the end of the season, lots of things might change so let's see what happens", or they're saying "We haven't finished yet, we'll do our best until the end of the season."

Or perhaps I am reading too much into it!
They also made a point of saying things like "join us tomorrow where there race will be shown live on BBC"

I thought I was reading too much into it myself, but I noticed a fair few comments about how this was BBC coverage etc.

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richard_leeds wrote:It really is rather simple. Bernie has decided he can squeeze an extra £25m (annual fee up from £40m to £65m) by switching to subscription TV. He's passing £1m of that to each team, so that's £12m. The other £12m has gone into Bernie's pockets.

That cash comes from Sky who get revenue from advertisers and subscribers. It is Sky's gamble that they can make the numbers add up.

Bernie has decided to charge UK fans an extra £500-ish per year for the privilege.

According to Sky this extra cost is "fantastic for fans", and Whitmarsh thinks it is OK, and Joe Saward thinks it is a win-win situation. I wonder what those three would think if I slapped them with a £500 bill for something they used to get included with basic utilities? That is what is really peeing me off. I'd rather they were honest and said "stuff you, I'm charging you £500 to watch my game" rather than all this crap about how great it is for the fans.
Well said, Richard, that cuts right to the heart of it. I would only add that Ecclestone is saying to F1 followers, "I'm pooing on you from a great height... because I can."

Well perhaps, but let's wait and see.

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forty-two wrote:Did anyone else notice that the BBC coverage had NO Mention of the important news?
It was talked about a fair bit on the Friday practice coverage. During practice 3 though David Croft said something along the lines of time to get back to covering the on track action.

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GSBellew wrote:I have to agree with the above, I bought a HD box earlier this year specifically to watch F1 in HD, so I'm miffed its of little use to me after F1 goes to Sky.

Out of curiosity, is Setanta available in the UK?

They have the contract for the Irish F1 coverage at the moment. Could be a cheaper option to Sky Sports?
Setanta UK went bust trying to compete with Sky. This is when the ESPN channel was created. Guess who produces all ESPN content? Sky.

It all --- stinks.