Grand Prix: - The Killer Years

[Just_a_fan]

At least it would be good if the drivers pay for their mistakes. I dont want corpses, but At least some more DNF would be nice. I agree with Sir Moss in an F1Racing interview I read a while ago.

I respect Sir Moss and his achievements, but the dude didn't like to wear a helmet. His views on safety and how racing should be took a massive step back when that came out of his mouth. Can't remember the exact issue it was in, but he said that wearing a crash helmet was akin to cowardice when he was starting out and he didn't like to wear one. That's just plain nuts.

Sir Stirling raced in a very different era - for example, they didn't wear seatbelts as they thought it better to be thrown clear in a crash because the cars invariably burst in to flames in crashes or, without roll hoops, they'd be crushed.

And the drivers didn't do things like the "Schuey chop" back then because the very real risk of injury.

[strad]

but he said that wearing a crash helmet was akin to cowardice when he was starting out and he didn't like to wear one. That's just plain nuts.

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I just love this...
First off..

but he said that wearing a crash helmet was akin to cowardice when he was starting out and he didn't like to wear one. That's just plain nuts.

WHEN HE WAS STARTING OUT...He didn't say he wouldn't wear one today...
Second

That's just plain nuts.

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Back then it was a test of manhood to put your life on the line...some wouldn't have had it any other way..Read ...Many Many say today that they never thought about the danger, it was just an accepted part of the game that if you screwed up too bad you could die...Even the early women racers accepted that fact. You can't call them nuts for doing what was very much the norm.
I don't desire to see anyone die, but you've emasculated the sport to where it literally bears no resemblance, philosophically, to it's beginnings.
And some of us are sorry for that.
You've got what you want and it isn't going to change.
I will repeat what I have said before in these discussions...think of what that side always says...
"I don't want to see a driver die"
You don't want to see it...See? It's all about what you do or do not want to see...not what is right or best.
rant over

[beelsebob]

Back then it was a test of manhood to put your life on the line...

Right, and now we mostly realise that penis measuring contests are stupid, especially ones where you measure it by seeing how close to killing yourself you can get. What a wonderful world we live in.

You don't want to see it...See? It's all about what you do or do not want to see...not what is right or best.

Perhaps the reason we don't want to see it is because we know it's not right .

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Strad,

What is best is the guy racing the machine doesnt die trying to race. Im sure the driver, the team, the fans and even people who dont know of the sport would agree.

You havent just "got what youve got". If that was the case People would still be dying every year in F1. This is not a war, its a sport.
Moss' comments where that of a dinosaur, someone who is living in a different world to that of today.

In the end you only have to see the shunts drivers have nowadays and walk away from. That is a good thing whatever anyone says about schuey chops etc.

[sAx]

..I don't desire to see anyone die, but you've emasculated the sport to where it literally bears no resemblance, philosophically, to it's beginnings...

There is perhaps something else we should consider. Where the cause of manhood and risk interface, the effect is often determined by luck. With a little less luck, the spring going through Massa's visor, or the somersault of Webber, or the barrel roll of Kubica, or the head on tyre barrier crashes of Hamilton and Kovalainen, or Perez crash/Rosberg near miss Monaco could all have had different outcomes.

My contention would be that even in the most recent times of a sport that has been made safer, it has been blessed with a huge dose of luck. Therefore can F1 be lucky all the time? If not, then the only alternative is a relentless no-compromise pursuit of safety.

sAx

[gridwalker]

What is worth a driver's life? The fame? The money? The women? The trophies? The titles? The excitement? Being "a man"? Inspiring complete strangers to tear strips off of each other in the name of winning a debate on the internet?

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

[Steven]

Guys, please note that this thread is about the actual program...

[N12ck]

Guys, please note that this thread is about the actual program...

+1

[Shaddock]

Stewarts Wheel after his crash at Spa:





Pretty scary stuff when you consider they were fire bombs waiting to go off.

Honda making a car out of magnesium could only end one way.

[Ray]

I've read there were some serious inaccuracies in that film. I don't know enough F1 history to have noticed them though.

[Tyler]

I think more Unable to help.

They didnt have the correct training nor equipment to deal with the situation. Nor where they paid proffesionals.

It was a monumental act of courage by Purley, a true and desperate hero. But the Marshalls were woefully under prepared, and this has to fall at the feet of the authorities.

The worst example of this has got to be Kyalami 1977, with 2 marshalls running across the track to put out the fire in Renzo Zorzi's car.Tom Pryce struck one of the marshalls, only nineteen I think, who died instantly and was killed himself by the flying fire extinguisher.
A very dark day in F1's history but it's amazing really just how much things have changed and how much better safety standards have become.
Incidents like this prove that a safer F1 really is best.

[strad]

Those "Killer Years" were some of the absolute best F1 racing ever. In My Opinion and last time I looked,,,I was entitled to that.

[sAx]

Those "Killer Years" were some of the absolute best F1 racing ever. In My Opinion and last time I looked,,,I was entitled to that.

From the perspective of a spectator for sure. Less so perhaps if sitting behind a steering wheel with a centrally taped spanner.

sAx

[matt21]

Does anybody know how to watch this outside the UK?

[sAx]

Does anybody know how to watch this outside the UK?

PM me and I will give you the where and when.

sAx