Vettel argument with Pirelli

[rock1]

Hi All,

Did any of you watch the bbc coverage of the race on Sunday and see the little clip of the vettel argument with pirelli.

It looked very heated and it would have been great to have heard what was said.

[raymondu999]

Yeap. I saw. I can lipread, but unfortunately a lot of the conversation was done with their backs to the camera.

[Traction]

he has never been happy with the tyres and right from the outset he was saying the tyres don`t last as long as they should....

http://www.torquenews.com/109/formula-o ... elli-tires

[raymondu999]

Wrong context Traction. rock's post was talking about Vettel talking to Pirelli about the camber blistering issue in Spa; not about the Pirellis in general.

[Gerhard Berger]

Vettel's manner seemed very rude.

[wesley123]

On the BBC they were also talking about that blistering thing. What seems was that Red Bull(and a few other iic) were running more camber than Pirelli described as 'safe' causing the blistering of the tires. That is the reason why I thought Vettel acted like a complete douchebag, first of all, why is he stressing? He is 4-5 race wins clear of the rest. And apart from all, Pirelli doesnt set up the camber on the cars, so he should be going to Red Bull, not Pirelli to b!tch about it.
I think he should stress himself more about what Champion victory dance he is gonna do in a few races than moan about the tires

[Jersey Tom]

What seems was that Red Bull(and a few other iic) were running more camber than Pirelli described as 'safe' causing the blistering of the tires. That is the reason why I thought Vettel acted like a complete douchebag, first of all, why is he stressing? He is 4-5 race wins clear of the rest. And apart from all, Pirelli doesnt set up the camber on the cars, so he should be going to Red Bull, not Pirelli to b!tch about it.

Welcome to every f'ing week in NASCAR.

[Aced]

And apart from all, Pirelli doesnt set up the camber on the cars, so he should be going to Red Bull, not Pirelli to b!tch about it.

That's exactly what I don't understand. Why are Red Bull acting like all this was Pirellis fault? They were the one's who made the choice, I'm pretty sure they knew the consequences and still decided to go beyond what Pirelli had set as safe/recommended.

And then the hypocrisy and acting like they're all "worried" about their drivers. If you are really that worried about something then you definitely shouldn't risk something that's not worth risking. In my opinion Red Bull made all the fuss just so they could blame Pirelli in case something happened.

[Richard]

All teams push things to the limit, but pushing your tyres to the limit in quali such that they only past 3 laps in the race was bit extreme, but it worked for them.

Newey's interview was a calm and level headed engineering assessment. Higher air pressure and lack of DRS extended the life.

[raymondu999]

That's not quite correct. It lasted an outlap, 4 flying laps, an inlay, a formation lap, and 3 flying race laps

[Jersey Tom]

I still find this incredibly amusing, as every week this is what NASCAR teams and Goodyear have to contend with.

[Richard]

Isn't that the WWF effect? In my ignorance of NASCAR I have this image of showmanship with cautions and contrived drama.

driver Matt Kenseth said, "There's for sure entertainment cautions, there's no doubt about that, but we're in the entertainment business and you're going to get some of that and group the field every once in a while." Driver and commentator, Kyle Petty, said, "We're in the entertainment business, if they want to throw a caution every 40 laps to keep everybody bunched up, so the fans have a better experience, more cautions, the better."

[raymondu999]

Last I checked NASCAR was a show rather than a race. But enough of NASCAR. Let's get back to the issue of the thread

[Jersey Tom]

Say what you want. As much as I've been a F1 fan, the racing on a week to week basis is generally better in NASCAR. Anyone's race every weekend... as opposed to F1 where all but a very few have pretty much no shot to win and it's just a procession of follow the leader.

But I digress.

[PNSD]

Say what you want. As much as I've been a F1 fan, the racing on a week to week basis is generally better in NASCAR. Anyone's race every weekend... as opposed to F1 where all but a very few have pretty much no shot to win and it's just a procession of follow the leader.

But I digress.

=D>

Agreed.

But on the topic, I've re watched the coverage to see if there is anything we can learn and sadly not .

I would not have said Vettel looked angry, more focused. I think above all Vettel would have understood any error in judgement resulting in a tyre failure would have come from RedBull's side. I would assume his talk with Paul would be more of a reassurance from Paul that he would indeed be safe if the team raised the pressures and checked the tyres after the first 5 or so laps.

At no point did RedBull ever try and blame Pirelli. RedBull accepted that the issue was on their side, the only tried to get fresh tyres because they are trying to win a title, and anything to make it easier is great. I do not believe RedBull found any fault with the job Pirelli did over the weekend, I just think RedBull tried to sneakily fix their problem without losing the advantage of a pole, and 2nd row start.