Renault Test Mule?

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gridwalker wrote:Why are we even discussing the Exos? The pictures in the original post are clearly not of an Exos, which isn't even built by the same company (Renault F1 still being an independent business)!

The Exos was released by Group Lotus before they got involved with the Renault F1 team, whilst they were still licencing their name to Lotus Racing (soon to become Team Lotus). It was also designed and built by Group Lotus without the involvement of Lotus Racing, so they cannot claim any F1 pedigree through the team they were involved with at the time.

There is no direct connection between F1 and the Exos, as it was designed and built independently from the F1 teams carrying the Lotus name, so it really is trying to emulate F1 technology and cannot claim to be based on any of their genuine F1 efforts!

This is why I hate what Danny Bahr is doing with the Lotus brand : he is passing off Group Lotus as the genuine heirs of Chapman's legacy and cross marketing their road car arm using the achievements of independent F1 teams that owe NOTHING to Group Lotus.

This is the precise reason why I was totally against the "return" of Lotus to F1 in the first place ...
Both Danny Bahr and Tony Fernandes are guilty of attempting to benefit from Colin Chapman's legacy, and all they've done is make a back-team, bog down what could have been a decent mid-field team, and confuse F1 commentators.

As for why the Exos was brought up, it was guessed that the original post was related to the Exos. It has been well determined that it is not.

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It's all marketing : From Fernandes using the Lotus name to promote his team, through Bahr trying to use the achievements of F1 teams to sell cars, to that Frankenstein's monster of a showcar ... they are all pretending to be something they are not in order to promote a brand that is trying to sell you something.

Personally, I am with Bill Hicks on the subject of marketing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

On the other hand, this is getting WELL off topic (sorry mods) so lets get back to that showcar! I'm going to have a bit of a dig to see if I can find out more about that specific chassis ... we will get to the bottom of this ;)
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gridwalker wrote: On the other hand, this is getting WELL off topic (sorry mods) so lets get back to that showcar! I'm going to have a bit of a dig to see if I can find out more about that specific chassis ... we will get to the bottom of this ;)
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that's the car they had on top gear no? which clarkson drove?

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astracrazy wrote:that's the car they had on top gear no? which clarkson drove?
No – that's the Lotus T125, the diffuser is *much* bigger, and the front wing much wider (along with many other differences).

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The T125 = The Exos *facepalm*

I tried to find some info about which R27 chassis were converted into showcars, but haven't been able to find much. It is annoying because there are Clio Cup machines that are designated as R27s, so I had to wade through a lot of false positives.

There must be something out there!
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gridwalker wrote:The T125 = The Exos *facepalm*
Yes, I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying – I'm responding saying that, no, the car photographed in this thread is not the T125/Exos, and no, it wasn't driven on top gear by jeremy clarkson (the Lotus T125/Exos was).

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I wasn't criticising your post, I was just despairing of the fact that we'd returned to the same topic by another route ... I am actually quite glad that you responded before I could! ;)
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I´m pretty sure that´s a T125 Exos...

Ok i´ll stop lol.
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