Italian GP 2011 - Autodromo Nazionale Monza

[Intego]

I don't understand why everyone claims Alonso would be "complete driver". Who said that first and who broadcasted that romance? I don't see that.
Many people want to see Vettel in a red car, even Alonso. I think he would need a very good psychologist then ...

because he IS the most complete driver. period. Put him a RB7 and see what happens.

Everyone would win in a Red Bull as everyone stated ...

[Steven]

Kudos to Hamilton for outright admitting that he was "caught napping". He said he was looking in his mirrors to see how to cover Michael Schumacher, but by the time he looked ahead Alonso and Vettel were also accellerating hard for the race restart.

I also believe he raced controlled and well enough.

My congrats to race control as well for demanding Schumacher to calm down instead of immediately handing out penalties. I believe that approach would have been better many many times before today as well.

[Traction]

I don't understand why everyone claims Alonso would be "complete driver". Who said that first and who broadcasted that romance? I don't see that.
Many people want to see Vettel in a red car, even Alonso. I think he would need a very good psychologist then ...

because he IS the most complete driver. period. Put him a RB7 and see what happens.

Everyone would win in a Red Bull as everyone stated ...

Rubbish....

[vall]

quite obviously Webber would not. He couldn't even be 2nd.

[raymondu999]

In case anyone is interested


WOW! What an Italian Grand Prix! Back, with another points summary

Standings:
Sebastian Vettel 284
Fernando Alonso 172 (-112)
Jenson Button 167 (-117)
Mark Webber 167 (-117)
Hamilton Hamilton 158 (-126)

Let's see now. There's 150 to play for; with 125 at the end of the Singaporean Grand Prix. This means that it is entirely plausible, and possible, that Sebastian can and will seal the title in Singapore.

VERY VERY CRUCIALLY, there are now 6 races left. This means that the maximum number of wins a rival could have this year is 8; and Sebastian has more than enough 2nd places to beat the countback to his rivals. That means he has to achieve a gap of 125 rather than 126 in Singapore to WIN THE TITLE.

Hamilton Hamilton is in dire trouble - if Hamilton finishes BEHIND Sebastian in Singapore; he will be knocked out of the title race - will he be asked to play support for Button then? Will he?

For him to clinch the title in the next race in Singapore, he must outscore:
Fernando by 13 points
Webber by 8 points
Button by 8 points
Equal Hamilton

As a win is 7 points over 2nd; that means that a win is not enough for Vettel. If Webber or Button comes second; Vettel CANNOT clinch the title)

For what it's worth, for him to clinch the title in Suzuka, with 100 to play for after the race, he can let the following happen and still be the champion:
Fernando can outscore him by 12 points (6 average)
Webber/Button can outscore him by 17 points (8.5 average)
Hamilton can outscore him by 26 points (13 average)

For Korea, with 75 points to play for after the race ends,
Fernando can outscore him by 37 points (12.33 average)
Webber & Button can outscore him by 42 points (14 average)
Hamilton can outscore him by 51 points (17 average)

For India, with 50 points to play for after the race ends,
Fernando can outscore him by 62 points (15.5 average)
Webber/Button can outscore him by 67 points (16.75 average)
Hamilton can outscore him by 76 points (19 average)

For Abu Dhabi, with 25 points to play for after the race ends,
Fernando can outscore him by 87 points (17.4 average)
Webber/Button can outscore him by 92 points (18.4 average)
Hamilton can outscore him by 101 points (20.2 average)

For Brazil, being the last race,
Fernando can outscore him by 112 points (18.67 average)
Webber/Button can outscore him by 117 points (19.5 average)
Hamilton can outscore him by 126 points (21 average)

It's worth noting at this point that IF THE INDIAN GRAND PRIX REALLY IS IN TROUBLE; SEBASTIAN VETTEL IS THE 2011 WORLD CHAMPION ALREADY

For Sebastian to clinch the title in Singapore!!
If he wins;
Fernando has to finish 4th, maximum
Jenson/Webber has to finish 3rd, maximum (If either finishes 2nd though; that means Vettel just has to take 1 point on them again)

If he comes 2nd;
Fernando has to finish 8th, maximum (yeah right; like Nando will finish 8th in Singapore)
Jenson/Webber has to finish 5th, maximum
Hamilton can't win

If he comes 3rd;
Fernando has to finish 9th, maximum
Jenson/Webber has to finish 7th, maximum

If he comes 4th;
Fernando has to finish 10th, maximum
Jenson/Webber has to finish 8th, maximum

If he comes 5th, no title yet.

No matter what happens, Lewis must finish ahead of Sebastian here.

Alrighty. Seeya in 2 weeks folks!

[kakogohrena]

RACE:

Lap Chart
Max sector speeds

Graph history race Italian GP 2011 (link)

• Sebastian Vettel
• Lewis Hamilton
• Jenson Button
• Fernando Alonso
• Michael Schumacher

compared to driver #1 Sebastian Vettel

Report the tires will come later...

[Intego]

quite obviously Webber would not. He couldn't even be 2nd.

That's right, very disappointing. I just quoted what others say.
What I mean is that a complete driver has to be aggressive when the time has come. With Alonso I don't see that. He was fair with the Vettel manoeuvre, but a sheep when Button passed. He only does what his car is able to do, nothing more. Schumi e. g. tried more (sometimes a bit naughty, okay). There are more examples ...

[jac]

Better race than what was expected. Had doubts over the RBs' speed but Vettel proved me wrong. Great race (and start) by Fernando, who drove brilliantly considering his car was the slower of the top-three. And Jenson, gee, this guy's just come alive the last couple of races. Wished for a Button victory today, but ah well, a solid effort nonetheless.

Thoroughly enjoyed the duel between Michael & Lewis, with Schumi pushing the limits as ever. Not a Schumi fan in any way, but you've got to admire the guys' sheer determination to actually RACE and fight to keep position. The old mans' still got it in him, no doubt (just needs a better car). Gave Lewis a bit of his own medicine today. Also, I found it quite amusing hearing Lewis on the radio inquiring over the number of defense moves on Michaels' part. Anyone remember Malaysia 2010s weaving in front of Petrov??? Same thing, if not worse.

[CHT]

Everyone would win in a Red Bull as everyone stated ...

you could give it a try with PS3 next year and let us know how you fair

[stu112]

Wow, can't believe what a bunch of a**eholes the Tifosi are for booing at Vettle and Buttom on the podium. Im not the greatest Vettle fan, bit booing is uncalled for.....so un-sporting. Apart from that great race. Button drove great and great results for Di Resta and Senna. Schumacher was a little naughty, but no big deal....its racing at its best. Another cracking race in 2011!!

[vall]

quite obviously Webber would not. He couldn't even be 2nd.

That's right, very disappointing. I just quoted what others say.
What I mean is that a complete driver has to be aggressive when the time has come. With Alonso I don't see that. He was fair with the Vettel manoeuvre, but a sheep when Button passed. He only does what his car is able to do, nothing more. Schumi e. g. tried more (sometimes a bit naughty, okay). There are more examples ...

when he was passed today, in both cases the other cars had much, much greater speed. He had no chance whatsoever. On the other hand, LH was not much faster than Shu, so Shu just had to block in the turns and then use hid KERS and good top speed to keep LH behind.

as has been discussed here several times, no driver can do more than his car can. As simple as that.

[Intego]

Everyone would win in a Red Bull as everyone stated ...

Ah, anyone just reads one sentence which is just a quote from everyone. Read what's the matter and answer to that. THX

[Mr Alcatraz]

quite obviously Webber would not. He couldn't even be 2nd.

That's right, very disappointing. I just quoted what others say.
What I mean is that a complete driver has to be aggressive when the time has come. With Alonso I don't see that. He was fair with the Vettel manoeuvre, but a sheep when Button passed. He only does what his car is able to do, nothing more. Schumi e. g. tried more (sometimes a bit naughty, okay). There are more examples ...

OK I'll take the bait
Perhaps you can explain why Alonso has outscored 3 drivers in massively faster cars than his.
What a silly load of rubbish

[vall]

Everyone would win in a Red Bull as everyone stated ...

Ah, anyone just reads one sentence which is just a quote from everyone. Read what's the matter and answer to that. THX

you base your conclusion on only ONE part of ONE race, when Fred's car was clearly inferior to those who passed. So, you discard everything he has done in his career.

[wesley123]

imo DRS completely ruined the race for me. The track changed from a low df track to a track where teams can put on wing and comprimise it with DRS, which barely worked. Excuse me, but i am sure there would have been more overtaking without any DRS.