Italian GP 2011 - Autodromo Nazionale Monza

[PlatinumZealot]

Anyways Monza 2011 for me proves once again that Hamilton does not have "IT". A very quick race with sub-human intelligence who would probably never be one of the greats. Would not have half the composure MSC had when he was being lapped around by Hamilton & Vettel. I wold like to see Lewis's reaction in those situations.


Anyways Lewis does not have the 1 lap raw speed as Vettel(who is absolutely the best qualifier since Senna). Neither does he have the intelligence & patience or Button or the absolute package that Alonso is.

Guess he should be happy being a No. 2 to Button for this season. Button has got Hamilton's measure. Lewis's raw speed is barely giving a tenth or a couple over Jenson.

Guess Lewis should be happy that being a 1 TIME CHAMPION. That is where he belongs.

Mr.S, why do you think Lewis Hamilton has subhuman intelligence?

*Mods do not remove this post*

[Lycoming]

Too bad Webber's wasting the other seat in such a wonderful machine.

I dont think its a wasted seat. He was second in the championship before he retired at monza, and has not placed below fifth at any other point this season. Hes got plenty of podiums, and has put solid points into the constructors championship. They have vettel for outright wins, Webber backing him up with points. If you go for 2 drivers that are... "closer" in performance, well... maybe RB doesn't want to deal with a rivalry the likes of senna/prost or Hamilton/Alonso. regardless, they have a working formula thats worth sticking to.

And don't forget, last year webber was ahead of vettel for much of the championship.

[Ray]

Button had zero problems passing Schumacher so I don't see what all the whining and crying is about.

Yes, I agree one hundred percent.


On Vettel, he is going to be a 2X Champion and no real rival in sight. Too bad Webber's wasting the other seat in such a wonderful machine.

I fully realised that NO other car will be able to win a race "pace for pace" after seeing what Vettel did to Alonso's Ferrari at the start of the race. I mean what the hell was that? How do you explain that? Can't explain that one..

I don't think he's wasted the seat at all. It's very clear that Webber has the least capable of the two cars, the worst strategy and the worst race calls of the two in Red Bull. This is the same guy who lead almost the entire championship last year and Vettel was the one crashing and throwing the car off. Webber has been a very solid number two, it's been his starts where he's had all his troubles. Vettel is doing a massively good job this year, but Webber is no slouch. Only his car, his bonehead team calls and second strategy choices have made him look ordinary.

[vall]

Just remember, you yourself admitted to hard racing. I don't want to see any whining from anyone else after today in the following races.

Aggression is the standard and plea bargains. Love it. On to the next 6 races.

yeah, as long as there are not stupid moves and crashing into other cars, I am fine with hard the racing. The more the better. An I do realize that when to play tough, accidents are inevitable. It is just that a certain driver is involved in all high-profile accidents lately

[Steven]

For the sake of the remainder of the thread, can we just discuss facts and leave driver emotions out of it please?

I have not removed any posts, even though I had to bind my own hands behind my back not to. I wish however to remind that when warnings are handed by the mods, please realise we do that for a purpose. Ignoring them will lead to bans (such as for Mr.S right now).

Thank you for your consideration

[HILTON]

how the hell did Vettel manage to get a 12 second lead on alonso especially with the shorter gear ratios? is his racing line just that good? or is the fact the car was hitting its top speed so much quicker although be it lower than the rest?

[beelsebob]

how the hell did Vettel manage to get a 12 second lead on alonso especially with the shorter gear ratios? is his racing line just that good? or is the fact the car was hitting its top speed so much quicker although be it lower than the rest?

Hitting top speed faster, and carrying more speed in the 2 Lesbos, ascari and the Parabolica.

[dave34m]

Anyways Monza 2011 for me proves once again that Hamilton does not have "IT". A very quick race with sub-human intelligence who would probably never be one of the greats. Would not have half the composure MSC had when he was being lapped around by Hamilton & Vettel. I wold like to see Lewis's reaction in those situations.


Anyways Lewis does not have the 1 lap raw speed as Vettel(who is absolutely the best qualifier since Senna). Neither does he have the intelligence & patience or Button or the absolute package that Alonso is.

Guess he should be happy being a No. 2 to Button for this season. Button has got Hamilton's measure. Lewis's raw speed is barely giving a tenth or a couple over Jenson.

Guess Lewis should be happy that being a 1 TIME CHAMPION. That is where he belongs.

Mr.S, why do you think Lewis Hamilton has subhuman intelligence?

*Mods do not remove this post*

Maybe it cus he iz black

[marcush.]

clearly all top runners chose to gear their cars short and were restricted more by the revlimit than drag with their topspeeds.
So with drs the advantage was more how quickly you reach top speed than the final value.
Seb taking this to the extreme living with a real substantial topspeed deficit but best acceleration to that speed.

Mclaren took an extra step and put on a bit more drag gaining them cornering speed but costing them in acceleration át higher speeds.So basically they could not use their potential for overtaking moves as their strength was at the wrong place of the track .If they had a good start and had p2 and 3 the outcome would have been different even if we do not know how much Vettel had in hand.

[Pierce89]

Button had zero problems passing Schumacher so I don't see what all the whining and crying is about.

Yes, I agree one hundred percent.


On Vettel, he is going to be a 2X Champion and no real rival in sight. Too bad Webber's wasting the other seat in such a wonderful machine.

I fully realised that NO other car will be able to win a race "pace for pace" after seeing what Vettel did to Alonso's Ferrari at the start of the race. I mean what the hell was that? How do you explain that? Can't explain that one..

I don't think he's wasted the seat at all. It's very clear that Webber has the least capable of the two cars, the worst strategy and the worst race calls of the two in Red Bull. This is the same guy who lead almost the entire championship last year and Vettel was the one crashing and throwing the car off. Webber has been a very solid number two, it's been his starts where he's had all his troubles. Vettel is doing a massively good job this year, but Webber is no slouch. Only his car, his bonehead team calls and second strategy choices have made him look ordinary.

What a load of crap. Claiming Webber has an inferior car is insane. But as far as the comments on Vettel, I have NO PROBLEM believing Fred or Lewis would be even better in the RB7 than Vettel has been. Over the past two years, both have had vastly inferior cars to Vettel yet they occosionally beat him on straight pace, which I don't belive Vettel could have done had the cars been reversed.

[raymondu999]

how the hell did Vettel manage to get a 12 second lead on alonso especially with the shorter gear ratios? is his racing line just that good? or is the fact the car was hitting its top speed so much quicker although be it lower than the rest?

Shorter gear ratios is good for him in the race (when DRS is not open). That means his top speed is optimized for the race

[ringo]

Anyways Monza 2011 for me proves once again that Hamilton does not have "IT". A very quick race with sub-human intelligence who would probably never be one of the greats. Would not have half the composure MSC had when he was being lapped around by Hamilton & Vettel. I wold like to see Lewis's reaction in those situations.


Anyways Lewis does not have the 1 lap raw speed as Vettel(who is absolutely the best qualifier since Senna). Neither does he have the intelligence & patience or Button or the absolute package that Alonso is.

Guess he should be happy being a No. 2 to Button for this season. Button has got Hamilton's measure. Lewis's raw speed is barely giving a tenth or a couple over Jenson.

Guess Lewis should be happy that being a 1 TIME CHAMPION. That is where he belongs.

Mr.S, why do you think Lewis Hamilton has subhuman intelligence?

*Mods do not remove this post*

Maybe it cus he iz black

??

Very out of place. Actually a very cringe worthy post.
Were you in the stands by any chance?

[WhiteBlue]

Michael has a very personal view of what is fair in racing. He grew up in the early nineties when a lot of dirty stuff went down by the top drivers. Now he is the only guy of that generation left who takes a very tough "no prisoners" approach. Guys like Barrichello would never fight this hard. It has its pros and cons. Many fans want do see hard fighting but there are als many commentators who would like the racing to be a a lot more cooperative than the Schu does his driving.

I think it was a wise solution by race control to keep a low profile on the issue as the MSC vs HAM fight clearly was the best part of the race. The rest was mainly the typical borefest, where the fastest car drives away. If yopu like the winning driver it is a good race if you don't like him you have a bad race. A bit of a rolling battle keeps you awake through it. lol

[raymondu999]

Sorry for bringing this back to the circuit and technical matters; but since the de la Roggia and Rettifilio have been retrofitted with negative Vallelunga kerns (those massive orange mounds like in the last Canada chicane) how important is kerb riding? They used to have all 4 wheels (with the outside wheels *just* on the edge of the kerb) on the kerbs in pre-09 Monza; so I don't think kerb riding will be as important as it was then; but how important is it? I notice the kerbs are actually still quite high; they're quite "ramped" towards the inside of the corner.

[mx_tifoso]

Can someone explain why Hamilton is wearing these ridiculous overalls with the wrong last name on them?