Are we seeing a Vettel era?

[CHT]

well he isn´t automatically the best driver in the world like many thinks.

He does exactly what he should do with that car. win every race and take the title.
Right now he´s doing what´s expected of him because the car is so dominant.

A person that is not doing what is expected and is frankly wasting a seat in possibly the greatest F1 car ever built is Mark Webber.

I dont think anyone here really think that Vettel is the best driver in the world. This thread is simply asking if we are doing to see an era where Vettel will dominate the championship while driving for RBR. For sure Vettel or any driver will need a race winning car to win the championship, but that doesnt mean that it will make them a lesser champion in anyway.

2 years ago, many people were saying that Jenson won his WDC because of Brawn GP exploited the technical regulation of the diffuser. And after announcing his intention to join Mclaren, everyone is saying that he is going to beaten flat by Lewis. 2 years on and we have Button ahead of lewis in the championship.
Does that mean the Lewis is a lesser driver as compare to Button, or do is Lewis being the most unlucky driver AGAIN.

[raymondu999]

Yes; thank you CHT. That was my point on this thread. I don't for the slightest think this is an RBR era; firstly for the casual fans Vettel gets the glory; not RBR. Secondly; if Seb weren't in the results; Mark Webber would only have won 2 races. Doesn't sound dominating at all to me.

If Schumacher wasn't driving the 2001-2004 Ferraris; would he have won the championships then? Highly unlikely. Would another driver in that position have dominated? Could be; but I find it highly unlikely as well. My point being that Vettel+RBR right now is a lethal combination; much like Schumacher was with Ferrari. Seb can't win in an HRT; and RBR can't win with Yamamoto and D'ambrosio at the wheel.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Does that mean the Lewis is a lesser driver as compare to Button, or do is Lewis being the most unlucky driver AGAIN.

I think it means that Lewis has not driven as well as Button up to this point in the season. Don't confuse Buttons good fortune with LH's mistake plagued season. He caused his own problems, and is being outscored by his teammate. That's not to say that Lewis is not faster in raw pace. Or even that I think button is as good as an overall package. In Buttons case he has made his own luck, which is really just smart driving. And Lewis is really (for all we know) just having a bad year. He is entitled to one or two in his career, and when he
gets back on form He will and maybe one or two others given a great car nip this so called era in the bud!

[HampusA]

I think we should wait until after the season before we claim Button is ahead of Hamilton in points.

2010:

Average grid position:

5.2 Hamilton
6.9 Button

Average finishing position

3.75 Hamilton
4.47 Button

Qualifying comparison gap
(Average advantage over team mate in seconds in the last part of qualifying in which both appeared.)

Lewis Hamilton -0.16
Jenson Button 0.16

Points 2010:

240 - Hamilton
214 - Button

[wesley123]

So in other words Hamilton has no race craft because of the mistakes he has made in the past when he has been under pressure or because he was handed a Mclaren when he came into F1????? Vettel won in a Torro Rosso!! God...the idiocy brought on by the denial is stunning......

I think that your post is more driven by the fact that I wasnt talking so good about Vettel then what you've posted. I do not know where you get the 'So in other words Hamilton has no race craft because of the mistakes he has made in the past when he has been under pressure or because he was handed a Mclaren when he came into F1?????' I do remember certain mistakes yes, but look the other way, what racecraft has Vettel shown? I dont remember any great overtake. IMO a pure race driver is good in overtaking as well as driving the laps. Vettel gets his car set up well and he drives the lap. A lot more different than an Alonso or Schumacher, who actually let their team work, built their team. Anyone who had the same career path as Vettel would hasve done the same or even better in his position, he is nothing better then any of the grid, matter of fact, put him in the Renault next to Petrov and I am sure Petrov will drive the crap out of him.

Oh and Vettel won in the Toro Rosso, you sure Vettel would have still done that if the top contenders wouldnt start in the back of the grid? I am pretty sure he wouldnt. If you name my points 'denial' and such, you yourself should at least come up with points why I am incorrect, which you do not. The only posts you have made is a praising Vettel post and reactions on quotes where Vettel was deemed not so good as you think he is.

[CHT]

I think we should wait until after the season before we claim Button is ahead of Hamilton in points.

2010:

Average grid position:

5.2 Hamilton
6.9 Button

Average finishing position

3.75 Hamilton
4.47 Button

Qualifying comparison gap
(Average advantage over team mate in seconds in the last part of qualifying in which both appeared.)

Lewis Hamilton -0.16
Jenson Button 0.16

Points 2010:

240 - Hamilton
214 - Button

my intention of quoting Button WDC to Lewis is not because I am saying Button is a better driver, but to give an example of why we should not discount the worthiness of WDC just because they have a good car. I believe there is already thread about Lewis vs Button, so there is no need to get into that discussion again

[donskar]

The thread is named, "Are we seeing a Vettel era?" Why are we getting into a discussion of Hamilton and Button? Another potentially interesting topic ruined by fanboys.

[dren]

Vettel is a lot better than I initially gave him credit for. He has dominated Mark this year in qualification and in the race. He has an amazing car to help him. The regulations aren't changing much for next year. I expect the Red Bull to be strong once again. They will not have the rake and EBD, so it will be interesting to see how much of a performance hit it gives Red Bull relative to the competition.

[raymondu999]

Didn't do much in Silverstone to be honest; though Ferrari became dominant in race pace

[HampusA]

my intention of quoting Button WDC to Lewis is not because I am saying Button is a better driver, but to give an example of why we should not discount the worthiness of WDC just because they have a good car. I believe there is already thread about Lewis vs Button, so there is no need to get into that discussion again

Don´t forget you mentioned it first and you brought up the subject, not me.

[dren]

Either way, both Button and Hamilton are former WDCs. Both are capable of winning in similar machinery. Both have had amazing races. The best pairing in F1 at the moment, can't deny that.

[Traction]

Voted no, like other said we are in a Red Bull era, not Vettel era. An Vettel era would mean that in the same car others would do a worse job, and that Vettel would do similair in another car. Nothing compared to Schumi or whoever. If alonso, Hamilton, Button or whoever was in Vettels seat I am sure they would have scored equal or better. I am confident that 1 third of the grid can beat Vettel in the same car. Imo he hasnt shown any race craft whatsoever, when he wasnt first into turn one he was or overtaken by an far slowerd driver which would be easy to get past to or if that wasnt the case he would start making mistakes and be nowhere. I mean, a guy with pure racecraft wouldnt make that stupid mistake he did in Canada, ruined his race in Germany or any other he had made. When he is under little pressure he is nowhere to be found, then I would say he is a midfielder, barely any quicker then Massa. I am sure that i nthe hands of an alonso or Hamilton They would already be WDC in that car. Thus it is an Red Bull era, not Vettel era.

With schumi that was his era, he was perfection, he topped a new level, he built a team from scratch. What did Vettel do? He just gets a car shoved in his hands and is asked to drive quick laps. Hamilton or Alonso would drive the crap out of him if in the same team.

So in other words Hamilton has no race craft because of the mistakes he has made in the past when he has been under pressure or because he was handed a Mclaren when he came into F1????? Vettel won in a Torro Rosso!! God...the idiocy brought on by the denial is stunning......

I explained why myself and many others feel the STR win was not a big deal, and even if I am wrong, nobody is an idiot for having a view with a reason.

Well good for you....a person is an idiot if he has an opinion that's idiotic....no ways will I be able to be convinced that winning a arcs as young as he was in a car as basically uncompetitive as it traditional was and still is and in his first year of a full season...the beauty however is how he has carried on that momentum and is on the verge of becoming a double world champion. More than what any other current driver can lay claim to.

[HampusA]

Why don´t you accknowledge the fact that the only reason he got that win was because Ferrari - Mclaren & BMW failed to set a time in Q3.

You see it as Vettel did something special. I see it as he was the person that won the race. Had it not been him it could have been anyone else that day.

Had the Trio started right behind him and he fended them off then we could have discussed the incredible driving by Vettel.

Reality is he got his has whooped in F3 by Di Resta and Hamilton.

[raymondu999]

While your F3 point is indeed factual and irrefutable Hampus; we should always judge any and all drivers on current form. I mean; for example, Vettel is now miles better than he was in F3. In fact he's miles better than he was last year, let alone 6 years ago.

[Traction]

Why don´t you accknowledge the fact that the only reason he got that win was because Ferrari - Mclaren & BMW failed to set a time in Q3.

You see it as Vettel did something special. I see it as he was the person that won the race. Had it not been him it could have been anyone else that day.

Had the Trio started right behind him and he fended them off then we could have discussed the incredible driving by Vettel.

Reality is he got his has whooped in F3 by Di Resta and Hamilton.

The fact that you even have to go back as far as F3 in his career speaks volumes for where he is now and makes your current views about him even more illogical..well done. try reading up on Vettels races in his beginning stages till where he is now...better yet maybe try watching the races...