Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

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Aced wrote:Massa has been very annoying lately with his "he isn't using his mind" and "he has a problem with me" theories.

I doubt that he was still holding a grudge over what happened in '08. But it's certainly all coming back to him now, probably because he feels like Lewis is robbing him of good results.

He even said in a post-race interview that he "had the pace for a podium finish". Personally, I don't have the slightest idea how the hell he got to that conclusion but for sure he's trying to put the blame on Lewis for performing very poorly.

Lewis has been nothing but nice to him while he's been acting like a total jackass. I'm sorry but that's not the sign of a true sportsman.
Did you not see the contact in Monaco? Both with Felipe & with Maldonado. He wasn't using his mind. Same with Singapore. Or Silverstone. But Monaco was especially ignorant. I believe Massa is more to blame than Hamilton for the Indian GP incident, but still feel it was a racing incident. But they've had lots of contact this season and up until now it's been on Lewis not Felipe so I think he's justified in his opinion about Lewis. Many former drivers criticized Lewis up until the Indian GP about his driving & accidents. So it's not just MAS who feels this way.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Did you not see the contact in Monaco? Both with Felipe & with Maldonado. He wasn't using his mind. Same with Singapore. Or Silverstone. But Monaco was especially ignorant. I believe Massa is more to blame than Hamilton for the Indian GP incident, but still feel it was a racing incident. But they've had lots of contact this season and up until now it's been on Lewis not Felipe so I think he's justified in his opinion about Lewis. Many former drivers criticized Lewis up until the Indian GP about his driving & accidents. So it's not just MAS who feels this way.
Out of interest, what do you see as different between the Ham/Maldonado incident at Monaco, and the Ham/Massa incident at India? I see them both as very similar – Hamilton got most of the way (not all the way) up the inside, the other car turned in early, and went straight for the apex rather than giving room. Am I missing a distinction?

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Check this out:-
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxWttWpEIM[/youtube]

Massa shouts something that I can't make out, and then Lewis leaves.

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Massa: Good job *something*.
Hamilton: Don't touch me like that.

Classic Rivalry between the two. How many times have they locked horns this year? My count is 3, but I could be wrong.

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Love the rivalry, but the way Hamilton handles it is really professional. What happened after that and why he had to leave, I dont know, I havent watched the last races because I couldnt be bothered to.
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No after that, when Lewis tries to resume the interview, Massa shouts something about a championship...

Start's about 0:15

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Yeah at about 0:13 he says something like "Good thing it was you ????, you'll win many championships" or something.

I'm sure I'm off a little but he's obviously being sarcastic.

I don't blame Massa for being frustrated here, but Lewis did the right/mature thing with his response and walking off.

Here's another angle
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY4RCObe ... re=related[/youtube]
you just can't hear it.
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Christ, from that angle Lewis had a face of thunder.

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beelsebob wrote:Out of interest, what do you see as different between the Ham/Maldonado incident at Monaco, and the Ham/Massa incident at India? I see them both as very similar – Hamilton got most of the way (not all the way) up the inside, the other car turned in early, and went straight for the apex rather than giving room. Am I missing a distinction?
I've been thinking that myself. I honestly don't see the difference.

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wesley123 wrote:Love the rivalry, but the way Hamilton handles it is really professional.
I'm sorry, but what was so professional about how Hamilton handled it. He first responded by telling the guy not to touch him in front of the World Press. And then walked off - which is a sign of frustration.

Nothing professional about it.

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Well, he's human!
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Trailer23 wrote:
wesley123 wrote:Love the rivalry, but the way Hamilton handles it is really professional.
I'm sorry, but what was so professional about how Hamilton handled it. He first responded by telling the guy not to touch him in front of the World Press. And then walked off - which is a sign of frustration.

Nothing professional about it.
Not trying to be bias a McLaren fan, but he seems more mature about it than Massa, at least in that situation. Interrupting him while he's having an interview and yanking him that way?

If someone put their hands on me I wouldn't just sit there, so his response was justified imo. Also, I see nothing wrong with showing frustration. Like Jeffsvilleusa said, he's human.

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Trailer23 wrote:
wesley123 wrote:Love the rivalry, but the way Hamilton handles it is really professional.
I'm sorry, but what was so professional about how Hamilton handled it. He first responded by telling the guy not to touch him in front of the World Press. And then walked off - which is a sign of frustration.

Nothing professional about it.
I have absolutely no doubt that 95% of us would have reacted much worse to it, may it be with words or even violence
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beelsebob wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Did you not see the contact in Monaco? Both with Felipe & with Maldonado. He wasn't using his mind. Same with Singapore. Or Silverstone. But Monaco was especially ignorant. I believe Massa is more to blame than Hamilton for the Indian GP incident, but still feel it was a racing incident. But they've had lots of contact this season and up until now it's been on Lewis not Felipe so I think he's justified in his opinion about Lewis. Many former drivers criticized Lewis up until the Indian GP about his driving & accidents. So it's not just MAS who feels this way.
Out of interest, what do you see as different between the Ham/Maldonado incident at Monaco, and the Ham/Massa incident at India? I see them both as very similar – Hamilton got most of the way (not all the way) up the inside, the other car turned in early, and went straight for the apex rather than giving room. Am I missing a distinction?
The major difference is Hamilton was penalized in Monaco. I feel that Hamilton was wrong in the Monaco incident and not so much in India.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Did you not see the contact in Monaco? Both with Felipe & with Maldonado. He wasn't using his mind. Same with Singapore. Or Silverstone. But Monaco was especially ignorant. I believe Massa is more to blame than Hamilton for the Indian GP incident, but still feel it was a racing incident. But they've had lots of contact this season and up until now it's been on Lewis not Felipe so I think he's justified in his opinion about Lewis. Many former drivers criticized Lewis up until the Indian GP about his driving & accidents. So it's not just MAS who feels this way.
Out of interest, what do you see as different between the Ham/Maldonado incident at Monaco, and the Ham/Massa incident at India? I see them both as very similar – Hamilton got most of the way (not all the way) up the inside, the other car turned in early, and went straight for the apex rather than giving room. Am I missing a distinction?
The major difference is Hamilton was penalized in Monaco. I feel that Hamilton was wrong in the Monaco incident and not so much in India.
Yes, what I'm getting at is why. Why was Hamilton more guilty in Monaco than in India? I really don't see any distinction between these incidents.