New overtaking rules from FIA

[izybluffen]

I think it's good and bad.

Good - When the attacking driver is in a genuine position to overtake then no foul play can come about.

Bad - When the attacking driver is not in a genuine position to overtake, then the defender driver should be able to take the line back up, otherwise he may as well just pull over and let him pass.

There are examples of good and bad with the Schu vs Ham battle at Italy.

I think it should be: You can only change line once and ONLY resume your line if the attacking driver is not in a position to overtake.

I mean like 2 cars going onto the straight and the car in front thinks he's got a run on me and makes his first and only move, only to realize that when they get near the braking zone that the guy behind it no where near as close as he thought.

I suppose drivers could abuse that as well ?

[dren]

One other rule that stands out as a good one is during a safety car, the lapped cars can unlap themselves.

The only issue that can take place with this is if a top car is not on the lead lap due to a penalty or some other reason, then it puts them back on the lead lap.

[bizadfar]

It should be called the "Schumacher Monza" rule. How times have changed, he was once untouchable but now they create special rules to keep him in his place.

This is racing.


Sorry, I should say, it was racing.

What is deemed as defending? What about situations (wet race) where the driver is searching for water? How close does the git behind have to be for his team to be able to raise it to Charlie/FIA/whatever.

[Raiden]

One other rule that stands out as a good one is during a safety car, the lapped cars can unlap themselves.

The only issue that can take place with this is if a top car is not on the lead lap due to a penalty or some other reason, then it puts them back on the lead lap.

I don't like that change.

The "scalectrix" rule change makes no sense either. The problem with rules that stupid is that people will rightly ignore them completely. They don't achieve anything. However there is a danger that the rules we already have lose their clout. The rules as they are now are just fine. You have to be able to defend your position, otherwise it isn't wheel to wheel racing.

[wrcsti]

You know who made a rule about lapped cars unlapping themselves last year? ///NASCAR

[Lurk]

One other rule that stands out as a good one is during a safety car, the lapped cars can unlap themselves.

The only issue that can take place with this is if a top car is not on the lead lap due to a penalty or some other reason, then it puts them back on the lead lap.

There was this rule 2 or 3 years ago and it was a complete disaster. Lapped cars had to wait that track was clear, then they unlap the leaders and then, we have to wait that not-anymore lapped car rejoin the pack. It was boooriiing...
A 3-lap neutralization became twice longer. For nothing. And there were was no "lap time you cannot run under if SC is on track" rule.

Lapped car always remained lapped car before that rule came in and NO ONE complained. This rule came, EVERYBODY complained!
Now what? Some complained again and so they decide to reinstaured this stupid rule?

[Raptor22]

Its another stupid rule to create a sissy sport.

If they impose a zone before the apex of the corner where a driver can resume his racing ling then I'd say its workable.
But this is just artificially creating overtaking to make f1 look more interesting to couch potato audiences around the world.

[Shrieker]

if you move off the racing line to defend , you can't move back

What's all the fuss guys ? If you make a move and then are allowed to go back to the racing line, how is the guy who is trying to overtake supposed to pass you, go through your car ? idclip doesn't exist in real life, sorry to disappoint. What that allowed was no different than weaving and blocking to kill of the speed of a chaser, which wasn't fair by one bit, not to mention very dangerous. Hopefully this will prevent gits from trying to push others off-track in a dangerous manner.

People who know how to defend fairly will still be good defenders, same goes for overtaking.

[strad]

It's basically a clarification on what was already implied by the previous rules.

Wrong...Just as was said earlier..You could move to block then move back on line,,,and thats the way it should be...this is stupid and NOT racing.

[PlatinumZealot]

This is a very good rule. I like it. No more turning in on attacking drivers.

[strad]

This is a very good rule. I like it. No more turning in on attacking drivers.

Not from anmybody who has ever turned a wheel. It is anti-racing

[Pandamasque]

It's basically a clarification on what was already implied by the previous rules.

Wrong...Just as was said earlier..You could move to block then move back on line,,,and thats the way it should be...this is stupid and NOT racing.

Really? Let's get the facts straight, shall we?
“Maneuvers liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.”

That's ONE, Not 'one and another one to go back to the racing line' not 'two'. One. Uno. 1.

It's not anti-racing. It's poor housekeeping, nothing else. Instead of policing the existing regulations properly and consistently they add unnecessary additional regulations that I'm sure well be policed just as badly and inconsistently.

[andartop]

We'll only have to wait and see if this affects overtaking on the track, but while they're at it, they could have also introduced indicator lights, if not for all cars certainly for Lewis Hamilton's and Felipe Massa's.

[ringo]

if you move off the racing line to defend , you can't move back

What's all the fuss guys ? If you make a move and then are allowed to go back to the racing line, how is the guy who is trying to overtake supposed to pass you, go through your car ? idclip doesn't exist in real life, sorry to disappoint. What that allowed was no different than weaving and blocking to kill of the speed of a chaser, which wasn't fair by one bit, not to mention very dangerous. Hopefully this will prevent gits from trying to push others off-track in a dangerous manner.

People who know how to defend fairly will still be good defenders, same goes for overtaking.

Exactly.
Drivers want to have their cake and eat it with the old rule. It was just silly seeing drivers block one way then suddenly reset themselves to go through the corner like nothing happened.
Defending will be better now, more on the limit and more at stake. I prefer seeing a car take a single line making his car wide as possible, locking down the corner, than moving over twice which is just too easy any kid or school girl could do it.

Great move by the FIA. Separate the men from the boys.

[Raptor22]

it i possible to make a car wide enough at Monaco but not at Monza or India or many other race tracks

The race craft of a driver is being able to position the car in such a way his rival is not able to get alongside.
Schumacher, Senna, Mansell were all very good at keeping their rivals behind their rear axle.

If any of you have sat in a modern F1 car you will realise the mirrors are optional extra's. They're useless. By the time a driver sees a car in the mirrors and reacts the opposing driver is very likely nearly alongside, hence you see battles like Schumacher Hamilton and Hamilton (insert rearward drivers name here).

These silly rules are not the answer, better driver visibility is.