Jos Verstappen: "Schumacher used TC in 1994"

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Schumacher was more than once mentioning in public that he is using considerably less fuel than Nico ...so maybe Rosberg relied more on hot blowing and in consequence was running marginal on fuel in the races? Considering your possibilities to change maps from qualy to race itz would explain the rather big time gaps suddenly appearing between the in qualy and reversing in the race.

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What would be the reason for Schumacher doing this though?

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marcush. wrote:Schumacher was more than once mentioning in public that he is using considerably less fuel than Nico ...so maybe Rosberg relied more on hot blowing and in consequence was running marginal on fuel in the races? Considering your possibilities to change maps from qualy to race itz would explain the rather big time gaps suddenly appearing between the in qualy and reversing in the race.


That's interesting. That would explain why Schumacher is slower in qualifying but faster in the races.

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wesley123 wrote:@Raiden; or how you use the throttle. And like said before Schumacher is much more sensitive on the throttle. I see Schumacher having a lot more wheelspin than Rosberg


I remember in early 2010 Schumacher was having problems getting the power down according to Brundle. Not sure if that's still the case. I love racing games and all, I get all the golds in licenses on Gran Turismo etc. But I can't spot things like wheelspin or understeer in an F1 car just by watching like the ex-pros can. Not unless it's really obvious.

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Raiden wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:ha ha sorry guys, remember how slow Hakkinen was in a contemporary F1 a few years ago,
I'd prefer to say that Hakkinens titles are alone Neweys!

Ask the Jordan guys about Schumacher! He was and is still fast, of course not as fast as the young guns anymore, but hell he is 42, and of course he was a cheater and played foul...
and I hated him! Lost my passion to Ferrari over him. Ferrari are cheaters anyway!
But C'mon where is Jos the 7 time Champion?

And I'm not trolling these are facts! Believe me or not!


Exactly Hakkinen came back in 2006 at Catalunya after the end of the season, he was three seconds off the pace of Hamilton and Rosberg. He was 38, Schumacher is now 42. He had missed 5 seasons (retired at 33), Schumacher had missed 3 seasons (retired at 37). Schumacher was actually half a second quicker than Rosberg when he came back, although of course it was only testing and Rosberg has sinced showed he had laptime left in the tank.

For Verstappen to say Schumacher not trashing Rosberg now, only matching him for race pace and being slower in qualifying, shows how mediocre Schumacher always was, is pathetic. It's as if competing in Formula 1 at 42 means nothing.

Lets be fair, Hakkinen didn't really come back did he. He had a quick jolly for a couple of hours at Barcelona just for fun. It wasn't a serious comback, it was just a quick dabble after being out since 2001. Also, Mika sited fear of leaving his wife and son fatherless as a reason to retire, Michael has never claimed to have any such concerns. You're comparing apples and pears.
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Havent read the entire thread but the FIA did find Launch Control in the computers in the benetton this year, but no TC, and they couldnt actually prove that the LC had been used so they got no penalty.

So i think its safe to say TC was used also seeing it was Flavio in charge.

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IF,,,they would have read the article they would understand,,,BUT,,,they want to stick their heads in the sand.
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Oh man, this english people, never tired to blamed Schumacher was the devil!!!!!!!!! I was so tired, that Senna is the saint and sch the devil! BULLSHIT! I´m not a great Schuey fan but i can see clearly the great talent from him. It´s simply a Country-problem. Michael Schumacher is a german. THAT TELL US ALL! Since 17 years i reading this controversity. Laughable, that Schumacher cheating all the way!

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samoth wrote:Oh man, this english people, never tired to blamed Schumacher was the devil!!!!!!!!! I was so tired, that Senna is the saint and sch the devil! BULLSHIT! I´m not a great Schuey fan but i can see clearly the great talent from him. It´s simply a Country-problem. Michael Schumacher is a german. THAT TELL US ALL! Since 17 years i reading this controversity. Laughable, that Schumacher cheating all the way!
Huh? it's entirely possible to both recognise Schumacher as an immensely talented driver, but also as a cheat (what I guess you're referring to as 'the devil') on many occasions.

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samoth wrote:It´s simply a Country-problem. Michael Schumacher is a german.
Good thing you've mentioned that, because no one who criticizes him, ever criticized another German driver, aaaaand, that is because they never behaved the way he did, including any other driver ever.

People tend to make make personality parallels between him and certain very bad people of German origin. I emphasize the word "certain", not all Germans, not the majority, but only and specifically certain group of Germans from the first half of the 20th century, who just like MSC thought that they have the God given right to get rid by any mean of anyone who stood in their way. He conducted in his career with scrupulousness, and the price for that is pointing out the obvious matching of his profile with the profile of formerly mentioned group of Germans from first half of the 20th century.

If he was for instance Russian, people would compare with him certain group of Russians from the first half of the 20th century. There is a compatible tyrant or at lest a villain in the history of every nation.

No one has, at least to my knowledge made any similar suggestion towards any other German driver or sportsman. He simply reaped what he sew. To narrow it down to his generation, Frentzen was a decent sportsman, Wendlinger too. Make a list of all German drivers ever, from those when only nobility used to race, to Vettel, and you won't find a single word that describes them, such are words used to describe him.

I really tend to point out the bad guys, and it is not because of them, no, it is exactly for the sake of the good guys who are unwillingly belonging to same nation, ethnic or any other group as the bad ones. To prevent generalization and collective blame, it is of utmost importance to point the finger to those who have sinned, in order not to insult or create any feeling of guilt to people who have nothing to do with it just because they share some unwilling commonness.

Remember, he was doing what he did, sometimes got punished, most of the times not, and each time he was there on the podium, and each time his name was shown on the TV, there was a German flag and most of the times the anthem playing. To me, that was a disgrace for German nation brought by no one else but himself and FIA heads who allowed such unsporting behavior of his on circuit, while letting the ceremonies with flag and anthem to go on just as if he was the most righteous representative of German motorsport, and Germany as the nation.

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wow! I would not go that far. It is just a sport and a comparison with centain groups of people from the 1st hald of 20th century is not very appropriate, no? But I have to agree that he's got a talent, but and the same time he cheated on many occasions, not always got caught.

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He certainly polarises opinion doesn't he?

I would not be surprised and can believe that he "cheated"...or, the team allowed the car to be illegal.

Flavio is more the devil in this eh? MS was/is a great driver. He had his faults..and they involved cutting very close to the rules. IMO, he was head and shoulders above everyone from 1996 onwards to perhaps 2002 - I thought Montoya, Raikkonen etc came and moved it on.


Of course, I am English so he must have been related to someone my great grandparents beat up...lol
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I believe that the somewhat embarrassing part is that MS' domination and alleged cheating, proven and not so proven, coincided with he reign of an FIA president with a legacy related to what manchild might be hinting at? But that's me.
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Just a note – when I said cheated in this thread I mean driving into Villeneuve, I'm rather undecided about what Jos has been saying.

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Lol, Derpstappen moaning.
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