Jos Verstappen: "Schumacher used TC in 1994"

[jdlive]

Verstappen sounds as if he's angry to not be given the chance to cheat. If you don't think Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton would cheat when it'd probably result in a win, you're a bit naive

[Hangaku]

The difference with all of these claims and counter claims of cheating is this;

IT IS CLAIMED, that Schumacher was knowingly gaining an unfair advantage over all of the other drivers over the course of a season, by having a device attached to his car that was at that time banned. If this is the case, he knew about it, he could ponder over it after every single race, he was knowingly hiding something which took effort and calculation.

Senna driving someone off the track in the heat of the moment, making a split second decision to do something, is entirely, entirely different. And that is exactly the same for pretty much every counter argument made here.

[hugobos]

Verstappen is arrested today.
The reason: driving into his 24 year old ex girlfriend.
She needed medical care in an ambulance.
Hope she is alright.
Makes me think about the validity of the quotes from Verstappen.
It is on dutch newspaper websites.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Spo ... ndin.dhtml

[wesley123]

He used to do that in formula 1 all the time, good to see he hasnt lost his skills...

But seriously, what a moron, if he doenst go to jail for this...

[manchild]

Verstappen is arrested today.
The reason: driving into his 24 year old ex girlfriend.
She needed medical care in an ambulance.
Hope she is alright.
Makes me think about the validity of the quotes from Verstappen.
It is on dutch newspaper websites.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Spo ... ndin.dhtml

So, when someone mentions that FIA president prior to Mosley was former Waffen SS volunteer Balesstre, that fact describing his views and personality is booed as irrelevant to topic. When someone mentions Mossley who was arrested for organizing racist rallies, writing racist graffiti and later on filmed having Nazi death camp themed orgy, that fact describing his views and personality is also booed as irrelevant, but when Verstappen does something bad that instantly undermines his statements about F1 events he witnessed.

[LionKing]

"...I always braked as late as possible but i never managed to get close to him. We could not have the same car! Thats not possible cause i always beat him while we went karting. He never beated me!"

can hardly be described as a statement about events he witnessed.

[strad]

How about Senna and other reporting the sound of TC comming off corners?
IF it was JUST Jos the Boss you might have a reason to doubt,,But when it was the whole of the F1 community? Come on,,,put down the rose colored glasses.

[jamsbong]

Oh ya, and pigs can fly...
Jos has really lost it, and the revenge ex-girlfriend is just not on.

[strad]

And that reflects on the topic at hand how?

[raymondu999]

Oh come on strad now youre being silly. Obviously it's saying that Jos, to this day, doesnt have TCS or ABS

[Pepsibottle1]

Obviously it is clear that Verstappen is nowhere near the level of driver Schumacher is. That we cannot argue here. The matter at hand here is the argument of the legality of the B194 Schumacher ran. Bashing Verstappen has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever and only shows the lack of maturity on the poster's part.

I myself am neither a Senna nor Schumacher fanboy, so let me rule this out immediately before anyone else nullifies my opinion for being on of the two.

I firmly believe that Schumacher was running an illegal car in 1994, and a majority of F1 fans past and present also share the same opinion. The ONLY reason that Benneton was the efforts of Ecclestone and Mosley made to manipulate the FIA world council. Despite knowing that Benneton was in the wrong (and attempting to cover it up at that), both let the team off the hook due to the fact that excluding Schumacher from the world championship would be catastrophic to ratings and sponsors in Germany. That is why there is no evidence of any wrongdoing (TC that is). And if there wasn't, you cannot overlook the fuel rig, Silverstone DQ, and Schumacher's move on Hill at Adelade. Also, why would Benneton run a ECU knowing there was illegal code? That there is just asking to be penalized. The team was a sham and whether Schumacher knew it or not, there is no doubt that they were in the wrong. It is simply a shame that the FIA did not do more at the time.

Just my two cents, and thank you for having me part of the community.

[Tyler]

Verstappen is arrested today.
The reason: driving into his 24 year old ex girlfriend.
She needed medical care in an ambulance.
Hope she is alright.
Makes me think about the validity of the quotes from Verstappen.
It is on dutch newspaper websites.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Spo ... ndin.dhtml

I wonder if he used Launch Assist?

[yener]

Obviously it is clear that Verstappen is nowhere near the level of driver Schumacher is. That we cannot argue here. The matter at hand here is the argument of the legality of the B194 Schumacher ran. Bashing Verstappen has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever and only shows the lack of maturity on the poster's part.

I myself am neither a Senna nor Schumacher fanboy, so let me rule this out immediately before anyone else nullifies my opinion for being on of the two.

I firmly believe that Schumacher was running an illegal car in 1994, and a majority of F1 fans past and present also share the same opinion. The ONLY reason that Benneton was the efforts of Ecclestone and Mosley made to manipulate the FIA world council. Despite knowing that Benneton was in the wrong (and attempting to cover it up at that), both let the team off the hook due to the fact that excluding Schumacher from the world championship would be catastrophic to ratings and sponsors in Germany. That is why there is no evidence of any wrongdoing (TC that is). And if there wasn't, you cannot overlook the fuel rig, Silverstone DQ, and Schumacher's move on Hill at Adelade. Also, why would Benneton run a ECU knowing there was illegal code? That there is just asking to be penalized. The team was a sham and whether Schumacher knew it or not, there is no doubt that they were in the wrong. It is simply a shame that the FIA did not do more at the time.

Just my two cents, and thank you for having me part of the community.

THE FIA BANNED THE SYSTEM BECAUSE EVERYBODY STARTED TO USE TC AND LC.
They banned TC and LC while in the season or developing a car. Lots of teams couldnt develope a new one in time so they choosed to use the same ECU but without any activation.
Benneton was not the only team which had a ECU with the codes for TC and LC.

Read more learn more, then give your opinion.

[LionKing]

Verstappen is arrested today.
The reason: driving into his 24 year old ex girlfriend.
She needed medical care in an ambulance.
Hope she is alright.
Makes me think about the validity of the quotes from Verstappen.
It is on dutch newspaper websites.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Spo ... ndin.dhtml

I wonder if he used Launch Assist?

I believe that a lot of unresolved questions in this topic can be answered by conducting a 'control' experiment devised with Schumacher, the car used in the assault and Verstappen's 24 year old girlfriend.

The hard part is to persuade the girlfriend to participate and sign waivers. "It is going to be OK honey, the paramedics will be standing right by all the time..."

[Tyler]

I believe that a lot of unresolved questions in this topic can be answered by conducting a 'control' experiment devised with Schumacher, the car used in the assault and Verstappen's 24 year old girlfriend.

The hard part is to persuade the girlfriend to participate and sign waivers. "It is going to be OK honey, the paramedics will be standing right by all the time..."

She'll agree, she's probably so used to getting the --- kicked out of her by now!