Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

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As I understood it Charlie Whiting had no objections and later the FIA deemed it illegal. But we will learn more ...
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Intego wrote:That has to do with MAMG, because they have another system for ride height control that they can "reactivate" (and maybe no other has): FW-duct.
Did FIA state anything about legality?
all i'm seeing is that the Lotus/Ferrari system is being deemed illegal.. no word on the Mercedes :-D

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Intego wrote:As I understood it Charlie Whiting had no objections and later the FIA deemed it illegal. But we will learn more ...

I think FIA's position is that a new technology should only be introduced if it:

1) improves the quality of racing
2) will not lead to cost blow outs
3) will not give any particular team a run-away advantage

But of course, history tells us they will approve or ban any new technology if it suits their political agenda.

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BS. lotus was working side by side with them and now it is illegal? Srsly BS!

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Joie de vivre wrote:BS. lotus was working side by side with them and now it is illegal? Srsly BS!
Lotus had it deemed legal; yes; but I've never heard that Lotus were working WITH the FIA on the device?
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raymondu999 wrote:
Joie de vivre wrote:BS. lotus was working side by side with them and now it is illegal? Srsly BS!
Lotus had it deemed legal; yes; but I've never heard that Lotus were working WITH the FIA on the device?
AutoSport reports it was told/understood that Lotus had been in liaison with the FIA
throughout the development of the system and obviously had received initial approval from CW.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96952

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Yes, theyve been constantly talking with the FIA, but as I said, I didn't hear anything of them WORKING with the FIA
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@ Gilgen

AUTOSPORT understands that Lotus has been in liaison with the FIA throughout the development of the brake system, having first been proposed in 2010 and been given an official green light by the governing as long ago as January last year.
This is why im ever so slighlty peeved at the FIA decision.
More could have been done.
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No point arguing over an FIA decision, other than to say that it was only given approval THIS year, as reported on all F1 sites.

Maybe autosport got a little confused. Although interestingly. Red Bull Racing experimented with the system in 2010, and dismissed it, introducing the flexi wing instead. Probably why there was all the fuss last year about RBR height adjustment ?

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This decision dont half remind me of..."The best decision is MY decision"

Charlie whiting lets wings flex but bans this after giving it the all clear a year ago.... some leadership.
More could have been done.
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All the chatter seems to be about "Lotus & Ferrari" RRH.. no mention of Merc..
On twitter that is

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MercAMGF1Fans wrote:All the chatter seems to be about "Lotus & Ferrari" RRH.. no mention of Merc..
On twitter that is
The BBC's Andrew Benson said an FIA insider told him Lotus & Ferrari seemed unconcerned with the ban. This could've very well been a smoke screen to get teams chasing something that had negligible gains.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula ... 664827.stm


Edit: Andrew Benson is quite reliable

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
MercAMGF1Fans wrote:All the chatter seems to be about "Lotus & Ferrari" RRH.. no mention of Merc..
On twitter that is
The BBC's Andrew Benson said an FIA insider told him Lotus & Ferrari seemed unconcerned with the ban. This could've very well been a smoke screen to get teams chasing something that had negligible gains.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula ... 664827.stm


Edit: Andrew Benson is quite reliable
yeah saw that.. besides, still no news at all from the silver arrows.. no nothing.. hope they have a ####-off car

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
MercAMGF1Fans wrote:All the chatter seems to be about "Lotus & Ferrari" RRH.. no mention of Merc..
On twitter that is
The BBC's Andrew Benson said an FIA insider told him Lotus & Ferrari seemed unconcerned with the ban. This could've very well been a smoke screen to get teams chasing something that had negligible gains.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula ... 664827.stm


Edit: Andrew Benson is quite reliable
Or, getting the FIA to ban RB's similar system under the umbrella of every other team. That would be ingenious, admit it. :lol:

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..... Speaking of logic.

Scarbs:
How can overtly flexing wings, interlinked suspension and front wing f-ducts not be considered moveable aero? They achieve similar aims?
More could have been done.
David Purley